No, my mind didn’t change from determinism because determinism doesn’t just cease to exist, it’s not about denying determinism… it’s about accepting the fact that it doesn’t end at determinism, hence the argument of free will, it’s the next step out of determinism and so it has been proven in evolution as well, the steps are as clear as day.
(Matter/instinct)Unconscious > subconscious > consciousness(Ability to understand both sides) < subconscious < unconscious(Mind/instinct).
Determinism on the most basic of levels is a plant growing because water and nutrients are there or even more basic, a pebble moves because of a strong wind, free will is at a higher complexity than both that subconscious and unconscious example of life/existence, instead of the plant growing from water alone, it gets watered by a conscious individual whom is more complex than the plant and the water. It’s a higher step of instinct, an evolution of cause and effect of which we are the effect of determinism that may cause effects as well, desired or not. If we can -exploit- the system, then that is freedom.
We aren’t replacing determinism, we advocate another step and yes, there is a next step and is one after that as well and again, and again to an infinite degree. You on the other hand, deny another step while using the very same ‘next step’ to argue your points, it’s contradictory. That’s like me sailing the ocean and denying that it’s blue.
What is humble to you? a man who already has accepted the others argument of determinism and admitting that determinism exists as it does but advocates a next step, or the other whom ceases to move to a next step or denial of there even being a next step whilst being on the very step to argue against that step, attributing it all under determinism, all stemming from a bias/avoidance of self which stems out of spiritual practices of meditation and self awareness.
Yes, we are continuous experiences, does a stone understand it’s experience? We do, that’s the freedom. We can create more or less experience for ourselves based off of values. You said yourself you don’t meditate, you don’t have much emotional state, you stay away from religion/spirituality, from what I assume is due to a fear or pride of it through possible negative experience or misunderstanding. I don’t need to know you to understand that I myself am free to experience how I wish to experience to, I only need to know you, to help you. I don’t claim to know you, unless your previous post was a lie, I made what I feel to be a logical/reasonable deduction of why you stay away from spirituality/religion in a whole, even if you technically don’t and possibly have misconstrued the idea of what it even is, most of the time when people dislike religion it’s over fear or ego(pride), which prevents a full understanding of it by the avoidance of it. I am not stating you’re an egotist, I am stating, your biased view of religion/spirituality blinds you of what it truly is.
Explain to me, what you view spirituality as and what your experience with religion/spirituality may be, we can clear this up right here, easily.
Well, you’re the one who portrays a bias here… I used to have the same bias and for good reason until I found that it isn’t all based off of or around the experience that created such bias to begin with. I understand how bias works, to assume I don’t is to call me stupid. You either have a positive or a negative bias, your avoidance, shows a negative bias toward the subjects I mentioned, crucial subjects in getting to know oneself. I have no bias toward it anymore, I merely do it justice in attempt at explaining it for what it is because I understand it now, not because I go to church on Sunday or associate myself in every aspect of religion heavily. I am continuing my understanding, not ceasing at determinism just because it exists and happens, it isn’t the only variable and you already know such just won’t admit it.
I forgot to also add, Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion, if you didn’t know.
We all need growth, change is inevitable, your choice on if you wish to delay or speed such up. Not on cloud 9, in reality, with a clear vision of it. Nothing I have said is new age. It’s been around since before you and me and it will go on after you and me. I don’t think less of you, which is why I am here trying to show you the next step but you won’t even question your being possibly incorrect due to a formed bias, which bias creates a lack of understanding due to comfort in such bias and not treading on past it to achieve the understanding… which is why I suggested for you to reflect without distraction and to feel. We may not evolve if we determine to not evolve or we can evolve, if we determine to evolve. Do you not see how destructive our species is? Seems like freedom to me, what other species destroys themself like we do? Know why? Freedom of value attribution to choice. Or just value attribution in general.
If there is no confine or limitation, then how is there no free will? Why do you argue against a free will or self determination if there is no limit or confines and you just admitted such here.
A behavior having a determined outcome is not a lack of freedom in choosing a behavior. Nature is the very deterministic cycle of which granted a free will (consciousness)… there is a higher and a lower.
And we are acting agents of nature that can influence environment to our own needs or desires. How is that not freedom within the system itself?
Yes, you can use the system… that is freedom though my friend… dogs can’t use this system like we can, rocks(unconscious) can’t, we all think we’re all saying different things than we are, because we don’t all think or describe the same. It’s the freedom of an individual in a present moment to make those choices to pursue a nature of success though, it doesn’t just happen with no value attributed by the individual because it appears that way to us, it has to be fought for and planned for and there is no planning to fight for without an aspect to will of which is free.
That’s change though, not time. Rhythm is change. Time is merely a measurement of change that we humans invented to measure such, such as circadian rhythm, That rhythm is caused by evolutionary path/environment, which is measure-able change.
Yes it is unconscious. Which is why we need a clock to wake up on time for work, our circadian rhythm evolutionary bodily cycle may not always be aligned with what one freely wills or chooses to do by value. If the effect is planned for, it was never not a free choice to bring that effect.
The law of entropy is not going to reverse, it’s going to start back over. It will all die in chaos and re-condense to burst and expand again. It is a cycle, never ending, re-occurring and since we won’t be here, conscious life, it will seem like a blink of an eye for conscious life who have the concept of time because to the unconscious/subconscious aspects, time doesn’t exist.
No, because the little man doesn’t have consciousness, it’s a primitive version of us which is why it serves us… we are conscious and far more complex than a cell or simple neuron. Which is why I laugh at them being used as comparison in arguments, it takes many cycles of life and death of their working to serve us in order for us to even exist period, our consciousness is free due to unconscious/subconscious cellular organisms that we began as. Just because you know what an unconscious cell does doesn’t mean we can so easily predict the whole of the human that the cell works for. We are merely larger conscious versions of them, which is why we are destructive and appear as a virus or parasite to earth, so I have heard from many that think we are parasites.
We weren’t always free from the confines of experience in terms of instinct, what I am saying is, we weren’t conscious for nearly the entire current universe’ existence of unconscious/subconscious experiencing and evolving and we are embedded with those experiences, which is an infinity for us to understand, the resulting consciousness is our freedom of, through and for experience. We were influenced so we could cause influence. No one stated free will came before determinism, though consciousness -was- determined, which is the will that is free and without being confined or limited to pure instinct.
We aren’t like the little men, that’s the entire argument of free will… we’re conscious and cells aren’t.
We were confined before by determinism, we experienced… now we may influence experience as well as experience, a determined will that is free in that of understanding and the pursuit of such. The will only becomes, more free. We don’t have to directly be influenced or experience something first hand to use a priori… what is logic and reason if not deducing, free of direct experience? Were you there, conscious of the Big Bang when it happened? So then how do you understand it if you did not experience it? A priori… which I have also stated is the freedom in consciousness but only through a long time of unconscious/subconscious a posteriori
It isn’t about a romance of it, it just is, a higher and lower exist and it only can go higher or lower, based on ones value attribution, which is their own personal freedom to make those choices in and of value/reason. If people can understand other people better than those who practice philosophy, then what’s the point in philosophy or pursuit of wisdom? The differentiation clearly shows in society, that you’re wrong. People don’t understand other people as well as you may think, because most people don’t even understand themself. How can you understand another if you do not understand yourself? you don’t, just like you can’t with love as well.