Oh, jeez, come on. I black box the whole thing, but it gets tiring reading these kinds of straw man arguments. A human has the most complicated object we know of, the human brain, which is connected to a wide range of inputs that we do not, yet, think rocks have. So causation is going to be vastly more complicated, free or not, vastly more complicated. Hell, I’m a pantheist, but rocks have nothing resembling the sensory systems or muscular nervous systems with their unbelievable complexity that humans have. So just once I would love
just love the free will crowd to notice their own fear that maybe it isn’t freedom, but rather just complexity.o
I am no fan of the determinism crowd and their position has all sorts of problems, but this kind of trash argument by the free will side
strikes me as fear denial.
I am sick and tired of people of all sides presenting themselves as so sure and confident and never owning up to their own fears and confusions. (this doesn’t just have to do with free will vs. determinism, but it’s here also)
Obviously humans can do an incredibly wider range of things and can respond in a huge array of ways to the incredibly diverse set of causes, internal and external, washing through and over them.
That doesn’t explain how this vast set of causes is not utterly determined. It just makes it very hard to predict. But then fuck we’d have a hard time predicting where the next batch of pachinko balls will all fall, but that doesn’t make a pachinko machine free, or does it?
So, mock and mock and ad hom the determinists and present
that is, front,
as if you are confident,
when the very ludicrousness of the ‘argument’ presented here
coupled with the ad homs,
smells like denied fear.
How does the uncaused vantage from which I choose enter the stream of causation and why isn’t it in turn caused by my desires and brain states and…
Nah, we don’t have to worry about that, let’s just use straw man comparison where rocks are supposed to be as free - which would mean have a similar set of complicated responses which all might be determined as humans - as humans.
Let’s snort and feel superior to hallucinated arguments as if they solve the hard problem of free will.
And sure the dterminists have all sorts of problems to deal with, such as how can they possible know if they are being rational if they believe in dterminism and they get all ad hom and smug too. But that isn’t much of an excuse.
Everybody runnign from fear.
And where does that fear go.
Well, some people end up getting that spiral of denied fear floating over them.
Feel your own fears. Join the real humanity.
Presenting as fear-free has been confused with being right and courage for so long and it has done so much damage and it is just tiring to those who don’t do it. Presenting as fear-free is precisely the opposite of courage.