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Re: Incel Culture

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:58 am

You are using the word rape completely different to how everyone else uses it as you know very well
You pay absolutely zero attention to this simple fact no matter how many times you are actually told
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:03 am

Does anyone think there was ever a time when consent as a concept did not really exist ?
How far back in our evolutionary history would we have to go to find the answer to this ?
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:24 am

surreptitious75 wrote:You are using the word rape completely different to how everyone else uses it as you know very well
You pay absolutely zero attention to this simple fact no matter how many times you are actually told


I used to be like you. I didn't want to admit I was a rapist and a rape baby.

I know why you're so angry.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:35 am

Even by your strange logic I cannot be a rapist if I am actually celibate
As I cannot violate a womans consent if I am NOT having sex with them
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:00 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Rape is always retroactive.

You theory is ever fluxurious. New shit keeps coming to light.
https://i.imgflip.com/32vyv9.jpg

So this means one can't actually know one is raping someone while it happens. Ever. Not even in real rape.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:01 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:Even by your strange logic I cannot be a rapist if I am actually celibate
As I cannot violate a womans consent if I am NOT having sex with them


Since "no means yes" is subconscious acting out of what the mind is always viewing.

Not teaching this makes a person responsible for all no means yes interactions.

What I meant by retroactive, though it can be perceived in current, is that the act is generally always retroactive (after the fact), this is true even of current ones (there is generally an after)
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:09 pm

For dudes wanting to go beyond all this boasting and bragging and learn Shaolin from the ground up: here is the way.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:43 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:For dudes wanting to go beyond all this boasting and bragging and learn Shaolin from the ground up: here is the way.


Really? You're still on this??

Ok, fine, the longest I've ever done a horse stance is around 4 hours give or take 10 minutes, then, I collapsed on the ground and couldn't get up for about an hour.

That was after a year of training.

The thing about stances in general is that practicing same stance at the same height only trains thos muscle fibers and those muscle fibers alone ...

To move your stance by even a millimeter means you're starting from scratch again.

To complete horse stance training, you must be able to hold every stance indefinitely.

This takes decades.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Del Ivers » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:04 pm

Ecmandu

if it's all the same I'd like to take a turn at this intersection away from kung fu politics and examine incel politics.

Following are some quotes. Usually I would italicize them but since there are a number of them I will just use opening quotation marks and an ending quotation mark at last quote. My comments are in blue and are directed at you.
______

"You can’t get laid because female sexuality is inherently discriminatory, which means that women will always categorize men into a “yes” group and a “no” group, and your involuntary celibacy simply attests to your belonging to the latter category.

"Modern so-called “egalitarianism” deprived you of the ability to do so, and thus deprived you of sexual contentment. At the same time as Feminism brainwashes women to see men as competitors in a zero-sum game, women themselves crave to submit exactly to those men who are their social superiors. Naturally, this state of affairs yields a massive, society- wide sexual dissatisfaction."

I guess those two sound familiar to you.

"What the politicized involuntarily celibate community seeks is the creation of those social conditions most conducive to the fulfillment of normal male sexuality as described here; to be precise, it seeks to bring about a society in which each man (or at least, each sexually normal man) has a girlfriend or a wife - one who will be fully committed to his sexual satisfaction, will loyally stick with him, and will not engage in sexual relations of any kind with other men."

Dogs will have better rights.

"Activism on behalf of the incel community is a difficult endeavor. Currently, our task is to lay the groundwork for the entrance of our ideology into the political mainstream sometime in the 2030s or 2040s. (The present cannot be changed in a radical manner, whereas the future most certainly can be substantially influenced by our actions in the present; wise political programs must be future-oriented)"

Whose future? And please, don't cop out by saying it would be a future welcomed by everyone.

"A serious program to eliminate involuntary celibacy can be conceived as follows:

1. Lifelong monogamous marriage must be socially regarded as absolutely superior to the culture of singlehood.

Religions have tried to get that 'absolute' pushed, and they failed.

2. Government will launch a war on singlehood and take concrete steps to incentivize marriage.
a) A bachelorhood/spinsterhood tax will be imposed on unmarried individuals once they reach the legal age of marriageability.
b) Government will set up a national matchmaking agency, and will support private sector entities that provide effective matchmaking services.
c) Unmarried individuals past the legal age of marriageability who refuse to cooperate with the national matchmaking agency or with state-authorized private entities that provide matchmaking services will be subject to punitive measures.

Ecmandu, what's your version of 'punitive measures'?

3. The LGBT-SJW propaganda machine will be utterly dismantled.

4. The media will cease and desist from promoting hysterical and/or false narratives designed to scaremonger the public about bogus sex-crimes.

You mean like 'Fox News' does now? But I digress . . .

5. Sexuality, particularly young sexuality, will no longer be sterilized.
a) Pro-contraception brainwashing in schools will come to an end.
b) Abortion will only be legal in cases of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities, and high-risk pregnancy.

"The politicized incel community needs to see it as its objective to seize and transform the inner sanctum of all Progressive ideologies: academia. However, taking possession of (i.e., politically subverting) any one of the above-mentioned bastions of Feminist rule will greatly benefit the incel community. Imagine having the media or the government on your side! To reach that point requires winning the culture war now raging on the internet.

Yes, there are many little dictators running around nowadays with dreams of grandeur. But if the computer crashes or the cable company cuts off service, then it's going to be Siberian poetry with a No. 2 pencil. Oh, and have you heard those nutty rumors about 'real ID' for computer owners? Or is that just pseudonym-paranoia on my part?

"Now, should the politicized incel community be made exclusively of actual incels? That seems like the wrong way to go. The contemporary problem of involuntary celibacy is political at root, and will only be solved by concerted political efforts. One need not be an incel oneself to recognize that men are perfectly justified in trying to advance our collective sexual interests by striving to replace the Feminist politics that now predominate society with pro-male politics. As long as a person contributes to the cause, it should not matter whether or not that person is an incel.

A new patriarchy?

"Incel politics will continue to be relevant throughout the 21st century. Unless or until women are biologically engineered to have higher sex-drives, or the male- female ratio changes from 1:1 to 1:4 or so, or any other similarly dramatic alteration in male-female sexual dynamics is caused by the progress of technology, the struggle to abolish Feminism and institute policies conducive to male sexuality will go on."

Biological engineering on women? "Paging Dr. Mengele."

All quotes from: The Incel Manifesto by Tom Grauer.

____

As I read all of that I can't help but think of it as the complete denying of a human being's (in this case women) rights by law. This is beyond Roe vs Wade, this is nothing less than re-establishing some centuries-old, Sharia-like rule over women. Perhaps full-body burqas (sold at Walmart) will be back in lawful style?

Are you politically inclined in the ways quoted above? Sounds like the 'Incel Inquisition' with a side of the Salem Witch Trials.

What does it sound like to you?
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:09 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
barbarianhorde wrote:For dudes wanting to go beyond all this boasting and bragging and learn Shaolin from the ground up: here is the way.


Really? You're still on this??

Ok, fine, the longest I've ever done a horse stance is around 4 hours give or take 10 minutes, then, I collapsed on the ground and couldn't get up for about an hour.

That was after a year of training.

The thing about stances in general is that practicing same stance at the same height only trains thos muscle fibers and those muscle fibers alone ...

To move your stance by even a millimeter means you're starting from scratch again.

To complete horse stance training, you must be able to hold every stance indefinitely.

This takes decades.

The idea of HR stance is actually to accumulate Chi.
Lol.
So you really did not do Shaolin. Proof.

This was all to the benefit of people reading this, showing how full of crap you are on so many subjects you bring up.
Or let us say, how imaginative you are.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:24 pm

I was never taught that...

Though come to think of it, sifu did talk about chi a lot, was an acupuncturist and herbalist.

I don't know why you think you "got" me.

He would talk about moving chi around a lot ... I didn't believe that shit. In one ear, out the other. I never heard him talk about accumulating chi.

When he worked with me, he kept talking about my liver chi being stuck.

Dude, I trained shaolin in the United States ... deal with it
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:49 pm

Ecmandu wrote:I was never taught that...

Though come to think of it, sifu did talk about chi a lot, was an acupuncturist and herbalist.

I don't know why you think you "got" me.

He would talk about moving chi around a lot ... I didn't believe that shit. In one ear, out the other. I never heard him talk about accumulating chi.

When he worked with me, he kept talking about my liver chi being stuck.

Dude, I trained shaolin in the United States ... deal with it


I want to add to this. You have to understand, sifu lived and breathed Chinese medicine. I didn't believe ANY of it, not one fucking thing about it.

I was trained by a lineage that controversially came to the United States from my sifus sifu ...

Of all things, that sifu was Mexican ...

I mean, this is really scandalous stuff in Kung fu.

Like I also stated, I never graduated to black sash, I was an ok student at best.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby MagsJ » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:21 pm

Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ asks me to call it coercion. Coercion is just another form of consent violation, and consent violation is eternally retroactive.

Feel free to call it coercion or consent violation 'in order to gain sexual favours', rather than the R word, which you seem to be flooding the boards with of late.. as this is a philosophy site, after all.

Ecmandu wrote:This will not only give them unbridled access to "consent" from women, they have enough money to rape women and get away with it.

..now that is something that many would agree with you on.. money buying freedom from jail time for breaking the law, and that is what lawsuits are for, to prove or disprove that fact.

Ecmandu wrote:It's less rape I have to atone for, what MagsJ wants me to call coercion.

Please re-visit my reason why above ^^^
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:01 pm

Del Ivers wrote:Ecmandu

if it's all the same I'd like to take a turn at this intersection away from kung fu politics and examine incel politics.

Following are some quotes. Usually I would italicize them but since there are a number of them I will just use opening quotation marks and an ending quotation mark at last quote. My comments are in blue and are directed at you.
______

"You can’t get laid because female sexuality is inherently discriminatory, which means that women will always categorize men into a “yes” group and a “no” group, and your involuntary celibacy simply attests to your belonging to the latter category.

"Modern so-called “egalitarianism” deprived you of the ability to do so, and thus deprived you of sexual contentment. At the same time as Feminism brainwashes women to see men as competitors in a zero-sum game, women themselves crave to submit exactly to those men who are their social superiors. Naturally, this state of affairs yields a massive, society- wide sexual dissatisfaction."

I guess those two sound familiar to you.

"What the politicized involuntarily celibate community seeks is the creation of those social conditions most conducive to the fulfillment of normal male sexuality as described here; to be precise, it seeks to bring about a society in which each man (or at least, each sexually normal man) has a girlfriend or a wife - one who will be fully committed to his sexual satisfaction, will loyally stick with him, and will not engage in sexual relations of any kind with other men."

Dogs will have better rights.

"Activism on behalf of the incel community is a difficult endeavor. Currently, our task is to lay the groundwork for the entrance of our ideology into the political mainstream sometime in the 2030s or 2040s. (The present cannot be changed in a radical manner, whereas the future most certainly can be substantially influenced by our actions in the present; wise political programs must be future-oriented)"

Whose future? And please, don't cop out by saying it would be a future welcomed by everyone.

"A serious program to eliminate involuntary celibacy can be conceived as follows:

1. Lifelong monogamous marriage must be socially regarded as absolutely superior to the culture of singlehood.

Religions have tried to get that 'absolute' pushed, and they failed.

2. Government will launch a war on singlehood and take concrete steps to incentivize marriage.
a) A bachelorhood/spinsterhood tax will be imposed on unmarried individuals once they reach the legal age of marriageability.
b) Government will set up a national matchmaking agency, and will support private sector entities that provide effective matchmaking services.
c) Unmarried individuals past the legal age of marriageability who refuse to cooperate with the national matchmaking agency or with state-authorized private entities that provide matchmaking services will be subject to punitive measures.

Ecmandu, what's your version of 'punitive measures'?

3. The LGBT-SJW propaganda machine will be utterly dismantled.

4. The media will cease and desist from promoting hysterical and/or false narratives designed to scaremonger the public about bogus sex-crimes.

You mean like 'Fox News' does now? But I digress . . .

5. Sexuality, particularly young sexuality, will no longer be sterilized.
a) Pro-contraception brainwashing in schools will come to an end.
b) Abortion will only be legal in cases of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities, and high-risk pregnancy.

"The politicized incel community needs to see it as its objective to seize and transform the inner sanctum of all Progressive ideologies: academia. However, taking possession of (i.e., politically subverting) any one of the above-mentioned bastions of Feminist rule will greatly benefit the incel community. Imagine having the media or the government on your side! To reach that point requires winning the culture war now raging on the internet.

Yes, there are many little dictators running around nowadays with dreams of grandeur. But if the computer crashes or the cable company cuts off service, then it's going to be Siberian poetry with a No. 2 pencil. Oh, and have you heard those nutty rumors about 'real ID' for computer owners? Or is that just pseudonym-paranoia on my part?

"Now, should the politicized incel community be made exclusively of actual incels? That seems like the wrong way to go. The contemporary problem of involuntary celibacy is political at root, and will only be solved by concerted political efforts. One need not be an incel oneself to recognize that men are perfectly justified in trying to advance our collective sexual interests by striving to replace the Feminist politics that now predominate society with pro-male politics. As long as a person contributes to the cause, it should not matter whether or not that person is an incel.

A new patriarchy?

"Incel politics will continue to be relevant throughout the 21st century. Unless or until women are biologically engineered to have higher sex-drives, or the male- female ratio changes from 1:1 to 1:4 or so, or any other similarly dramatic alteration in male-female sexual dynamics is caused by the progress of technology, the struggle to abolish Feminism and institute policies conducive to male sexuality will go on."

Biological engineering on women? "Paging Dr. Mengele."

All quotes from: The Incel Manifesto by Tom Grauer.

____

As I read all of that I can't help but think of it as the complete denying of a human being's (in this case women) rights by law. This is beyond Roe vs Wade, this is nothing less than re-establishing some centuries-old, Sharia-like rule over women. Perhaps full-body burqas (sold at Walmart) will be back in lawful style?

Are you politically inclined in the ways quoted above? Sounds like the 'Incel Inquisition' with a side of the Salem Witch Trials.

What does it sound like to you?


I am so sorry I missed this post!

I don't believe any of it.

It's appalling!
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Del Ivers » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:07 pm

Ecmandu wrote:It's appalling!

Yeah, you could say that.

Since your reply implies that you would not do any of that, what then do you think of those incels who think political incursion is the way to go in the future?
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:13 am

Del Ivers wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:It's appalling!

Yeah, you could say that.

Since your reply implies that you would not do any of that, what then do you think of those incels who think political incursion is the way to go in the future?


You simply cannot violate consent on a massive scale to end consent violation.

You need small intentional communities to educate, but certainly not dictate.

That post of yours is really quite the opposite of everything I believe, and actually can demonstrate are contradictions.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Del Ivers » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:20 pm

Ecmandu wrote:..intentional communities..

Intentional communities? Yes, possible. Intentional groups? Someone is going to want something more. Intentional individual? The one who wanted more and of whom there will be suspicion.

Ecmandu wrote:That post of yours is really quite the opposite of everything I believe

I'm just a quoting messenger.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Del Ivers » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:45 pm

"The spirit of an open, friendly, and supportive internet is still there."

It's just a little phrase as part of the conversation. It's good to see there are people who still believe in that spirit.


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Re: Incel Culture

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:08 pm

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Ecmandu wrote:This will not only give them unbridled access to "consent" from women, they have enough money to rape women and get away with it.

..now that is something that many would agree with you on.. money buying freedom from jail time for breaking the law, and that is what lawsuits are for, to prove or disprove that fact.

My brother would say this often, as a warning to his female peers/myself to bear in mind, when we're out there in the big wide world.. but money doesn't seem to be buying many out of their predicaments in recent years though, so times they are a-changing.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:47 pm

Ec - I kinda believe you now.

Yeah, HR stance is for accumulating Chi.

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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:03 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:Ec - I kinda believe you now.

Yeah, HR stance is for accumulating Chi.

Liver rules anger. Liver energy stuck means that you can't let go of anger.


I'll tell you another story ...

So, like I stated before, he was also an herbalist ...

The ONLY thing that even closely made me think twice that there might be something to all this woowoo stuff was the liniment that he made. This stuff made bruises disappear in 24 hours.

I asked about it once and he said that liniment is one of the highest guarded secrets of a school and never to ask him about it again. I'll never forget the smell of that stuff.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby MagsJ » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:36 pm

Way way back in Primary School (age 5 to 11) when I was about 9 or 10, one of our female classmates declared (whilst we were ordering our post-school Summer ice-cream/lolly/whatever) that she had taken up martial arts, and one of our male classmates asked her to fight him.. she said no, but he insisted, and so the fight took place.. he went in with fists galore, and she floored him in just a few moves.

No love was lost in the exchange, and we all remained classroom buddies till we left to go off to Secondary School, but he did say that he never once thought that she would get the better of him in that exchange.. Catholicism obviously breeds graciousness :lol:
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby promethean75 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 am

I just want to say this. I was beaten unmercifully by three black girls in the third grade. You know how back in the 80s black girls wore those plastic beads in their hair? Well I made the dastardly mistake of making fun of this custom, and was immediately accosted by a barrage of trapper keepers. These proved to be formidable weapons and the assault was overwhelming. Maybe here I reasoned that martial arts was ineffective. These girls were bonafide street fighters and I doubt any degree of knowledge in kung-fu would have spared me the relentless beating.
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby MagsJ » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:35 am

promethean75 wrote:I just want to say this. I was beaten unmercifully by three black girls in the third grade. You know how back in the 80s black girls wore those plastic beads in their hair? Well I made the dastardly mistake of making fun of this custom, and was immediately accosted by a barrage of trapper keepers. These proved to be formidable weapons and the assault was overwhelming. Maybe here I reasoned that martial arts was ineffective. These girls were bonafide street fighters and I doubt any degree of knowledge in kung-fu would have spared me the relentless beating.

:shock: I have heard of similar tales of angry black schoolgirls beating up on their mail schoolmates.. for various reasons, but they usually didn't end well for these types of girls because those types of boys quickly gathered the troops to 'halt' such attacks in their tracks by using an equally aggressive manner back. I asked how they could justify fighting these girls, to the reply that these weren't no girls. :lol:

Well.. many boys ganging up to subdue one girl supports your reasoning on martial arts not working for you in such an instance.. from a recounting of, that my brother once told me of. :|

Trapper keepers? an American acutriment for..? Never heard... :-k
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Re: Incel Culture

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:53 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ asks me to call it coercion. Coercion is just another form of consent violation, and consent violation is eternally retroactive.

Feel free to call it coercion or consent violation 'in order to gain sexual favours', rather than the R word, which you seem to be flooding the boards with of late.. as this is a philosophy site, after all.

Ecmandu wrote:This will not only give them unbridled access to "consent" from women, they have enough money to rape women and get away with it.

..now that is something that many would agree with you on.. money buying freedom from jail time for breaking the law, and that is what lawsuits are for, to prove or disprove that fact.

Ecmandu wrote:It's less rape I have to atone for, what MagsJ wants me to call coercion.

Please re-visit my reason why above ^^^


There's a method to my madness.

I know for a fact that the subconscious is interpreting ALL sexual selections as no means yes.

So, if loonie tunes is reading my posts that "yeah, this is all the R word, but look at you, you're a hypocrite and you don't have to be."

People pay attention.

I'm not trying to manipulate, I'm being transparent about hypocrisy, especially the hypocrisy of projective hate.

Yes. You need to act out to be with women sexually. But guess what, you don't need to act out. Now. Yes. That's means no sex with women. So you can choose. Do you want to be a person who hates themselves or a person who loves themselves?
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