How to become Ubermensch?

I probably like You too, but adore Nietzche.
The Dionysus.
Has a long history.
The conflicts between modern and ancient forms of it are appearent vaguely, in psychological terms, parallel to interpretation .
Follows in the aesthetic morality of Kierkegaard and Schopenhauer.

Kierkegaard’s Repetition points to Nietzsche’ S eternal return formally, and the aesthetic is the common link.

However, Plato’s Banquet is a more prevalent underwriting that is a more premordI am qualifier.

As such, the Romantic Rebel is prevasjvelly more confused and ambiguous, in my opinion.

In this way Wagner tried to synthesize between the two modes of the Romantic Idiom.

He did fail.

He gives the drives of which he is made their proper place, where they are most beneficial to him.
And I don’t mean the chakras or some shit like that. I mean actual, human drives which are so particular to any given nature.
No generalities. Never generalities.
If you run into generalities, the idea of some general type of thing inside yourself that you share with the rest of humans, discard that notion.
Its going to take you exactly in the opposite direction of the Uebermensch.

Or, sure, you can discuss it technically, more pedantically, as the serious philosophers here are apt to do. :wink:

Its the deep dank secrets you want to stack. As well as those lofty, private expanses in the heights that no one shares. The Uebermensch is not built out of commodities. It is privilege upon privilege upon privilege - and requires the alchemical wisdom on how to rank, so as for a particular darkness to become a privilege.

The RANKING OF DRIVES
A task not to be attempted while under the spell of morality. Morality itself being, as long as it is upheld, the dominant drive, serving as a meat grinder for any old value one might have in ones soul. Homogenizing.

It is the instincts which ultimately must be the arbiter of rank.
But where, in this day and age, does one find such pure instincts?

Lo, I teach you the Übermensch.

Of all-importance is the question whether one acts out of want or out of overflowing.
Nietzsche worked out this question into a staggering degree of subtlety, his insight into the human soul is uncanny.

Once again from the same section of The Will to Power :

More on the Tragic, and why the Tragic Pathos is still to be attained:

Thus we get:

ZEUS
be praised.

imma white pussy that takes issue with this statement. i say with great consternation that fritz woulda laughed at the thought of a ‘rapper’ being an ubermensch, but on the other hand would understand exactly why a modern from the western world would exhalt such mediocre baffoonery as it rose up from the plebian soil from which it came and infected the hearts and minds of the consumer masses. because this:

… is over exaggerated, sentimental nonsense that is precisely the kind of shit that makes a romantic myth out of something much more mundane than it has been made to appear through/with the artistic cultural narrative of ‘hip-hop’ music. firstly, the whole theater of the ‘civil rights’ movement in america is more of an epic comedy than a heroic tale. in general what you have is a series of historical stupidities that have resolved through the only solution possible for a cluster fuck on such a grand scale. first, our protagonist, the white man, brings africans over to be made into slaves for their budding new capitalist economy. next, a majority of angered citizens (of the working classes) begin to sympathize with the slaves… and the capitalists can’t deter this anger for long before they have to pretend to want to participate in a social revolution that would abolish slavery because it’s ‘the ethical thing to do.’ enter social reform and the civil war. and this pisses the white capitalists off because now they have to pay a wage in exchange for the neegrows labor, whereas before it was taken for free. ah but there’s still profit to be made, so it’s not a complete failure. then comes the civil rights movement. now the working class wage earning neegrows want more rights. understandable. but make no mistake; nothing they did by force got them their revolution. rather, again, social unrest forces bourgeois goverment to appease the masses and reform social policy to prevent more violent revolution on a larger scale. it was either give the neegrows the right to vote and use the same water fountains, or risk a total overthrow of government… in which case capitalism might have suffered a fatal blow. so nothing these africans did, directly, got them their rights. every bit of it was given to them by a master than only did so to save his own ass from more dire consequences had he not done so. and that, my friends, is the comedy of the history of the american civil rights movement from the moment they stepped off the boat to the moment they entered the studio and began producing rap music. these people are simply bystanders that have graciously accepted what has been given to them, and aside from shooting a few cops in the ghetto, their story hardly resembles anything heroic.

ah but the story must be made heroic or else it can’t be sold. and here again we find the cunning capitalist dip his dirty little fingers into the pot and turn a disadvantage into something he can benefit from.

and for bonus points you can call this stupid joke of a history something ‘nietzschean’, and somebody will be there to buy that, too.

hey but tupac. you gotta get another idol bro if you wanna go ubermensch. it’s time to decide, son. do you wanna ride or die?

how about bushwick bill? he’s the midget on the gurney. i used to be a bushwick billist, ya know. ain’t nothing wrong with dat.

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“i ain’t gettin’ my leg shot off while bush’s old ass is on TV playing golf”

I knew you would catch that bait.

I need contention in this thread.

I obviously disagree with your entire world-view. You are a Marxist and not entitled to an opinion on Nietzsche - that should speak for itself. Nevertheless, your contribution in what is now MY THREAD is welcome.

I continue with the actual Nietzsche’s philosophy.

So we see that the Uebermensch has surpassed Zarathustra.
Whatever wisdom there is in Zarathustra’s words, he is not wise enough.

Indeed, Zarathustra does not possess the power of pure affirmation; the Eternal Recurrence, I am sure you are familiar with this construct, is an artifice, meant to allow a mere human to attain an affirmative nature; to force it upon him!

Such… means are however means of despair, means of WANT - entirely alien to the Superhuman project.

But is the Overman Dionysos? And if not, what differentiates the two?

“Away from God and gods did my will allure me… The beauty of the Superman came unto me as a shadow. Alas my brethren, what are the gods to me now” -tsz (interesting how only God and Superman are capitalized)

"Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue? Where is the frenzy with which ye should be inoculated?

Lo, I teach you the Superman: he is that lightning, he is that frenzy!"

But also:

“I am Dionysus”

“A lightening bolt. Dionysus becomes visible in emerald beauty.”

Is the Overman even visible, or is he always veiled in lightning?

On the topic of Brutus, check this out from page 129:

books.google.com/books?id=Iruil … 29&f=false

Nietzsche says that for the Greeks friendship was considered the “highest feeling”… similarly, the ER is his “highest thought”…

Yes, good questions.

Are the two identical? I should say not.

Zarathustra is here to teach us the Uebermensch, that is his work.
Multifariousness of nature; easy definitions mean nothing to us.

What is certain is that the Uebermensch was a thing of Nietzsche’s future, and that Dionysos is a formula which must apply to the Uebermensch - though not to its teacher!

Its crucial to discern Zarathustra from the object of his own teaching.

What are Gods to him ---- but he doesn’t know the gods.
This is not to mean that the Uebermensch does not know them.
Perhaps he knows them as parts of himself, or himself as parts of them?
Certainly, the Uebermensch is a Pagan.
Not some kind of self-contained Apollonian “citizen”.

I would say: Always veiled in lightning.
Except to his own kind.

Well not similarly, because the ER was not a Greek thought. N did not say that friendship for him was the highest feeling - if he would have felt that, it would have been towards hs posthumous friends. (true Netzscheans of today)

But let us follow this lead deeper into the kernel and learn more about the relation of Dionysos and the Uebermensch.

We may thus say, with some liberty, that the RIGHT to Dionysos is an Apollonian ATTAINMENT.

He is not given.

Furthermore, with the Uebermensch in mind, we continue to read of the Highest and Most Illustrious qualities:

And:

Although it is not so simple as what Heraclitus proposed, that Dionysos and Hades are one, it does seem to be the case that Dionysos is a child of Hades.
We need only to look at the moment of conception and the moment of birth, and the Mother;
Persephone received the Pomegranate-seeds from Hades on the Spring Equinox as she left the underworld.
Dionysos was born on the Winter Solstice from Demeter, who is mother to Persephone.

Gods and their pregnancies.

Mysterium, workings of time, depth, secrecy, occult, the hidden, brooding (which in Netherlandic is the same word as breeding), labour and seasons, dignity of the Sun and the Earth in terms of each other, progression, evolution as ones TASK;

This sums it up.

Be exotic plant, my friend.

Tupac Shakur is the Ubermensch.

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I am flattered that you would take it as axiomatic that I, FC, am the Uebermensch.
Your soul seems to be characterized by prematurity.

Tupac-Amaru -
You must have learned a great deal so far. And I thank you for initiating such a useful thread.

What can be gathered, always, from moderners, is their desire for things to be instantly resolved.
These clowns here to not even understand the concept of evolution; they must either be all there is to the universe, or the universe must mean nothing at all.

The concept of the Uebermensch stands in stark contrast to this desperate lack of strength - Nietzsche’s philosophy as a whole is an agent of evolution, of improvement. To a Nietzschean nothing would be more shamefully childish than to proclaim oneself the Uebermensch. If there is any value to the concept at all, it is the gigantic task that it begs of us - pagans.

I might be wrong but I had this impression that Tupac-Amaru is one of those alternative accounts of yours that you’ve created specifically to start this thread so that you can give us a monologue in disguise. There’s no need to do this, I’d say. You could have simply started a thread discussing what it means to be an Ubermensch. An openly fictional dialog is better option too.

On the other hand, there is no doubt in my mind, given what kind of music Nietzsche listened to, that he’d not be much of a fan of Tupac Shakur (and rap music in general) given how lacking in rhythm and melody it is.

I’ll make it easy.

The ubermensch is an elite psychopath.

The EP only cares about furthering his (or her) own interests, his own freedom, health, happiness, wealth and power, and he has the smarts, and the strength, both physical, and emotional, to further them tremendously, he doesn’t care about other people, except for perhaps his immediate family.

He treats himself as an end, others as means.

While he may lie to others, he’s true to himself.

He may help others, but only insofar as he profits from it.

He enjoys the fine things in life, fine art, literature, music, clothes, food, wine and cars.

It doesn’t matter what career he has, so long as it’s something he enjoys and is good at (it’s more about how he approaches it than what it is).

He may be a brain surgeon, a criminal or even a janitor, but whatever he gets into, so long as some unforeseeable accident doesn’t befall him, he’ll rise to the top or near it.

If he’s a janitor, within a decade or two he’ll have his own janitorial company with dozens, hundreds or thousands of employees under him, whom he’ll have no loyalty to.

EPs are born, you either have talent and tenacity, or you don’t.

You can develop them, but you must have a lot to develop to begin with.

Nietzsche didn’t give step by step instructions on how to develop them, his only point was that people with them needn’t let things like God, democracy, human rights, liberty, equality or nation keep them from furthering their own interests ruthlessly.

A thing that seems to elude some people is, EPs will never tell the people what they are.

For them, it’s best the little people think highly of them, that they’re God fearing people, champions of democracy, human rights and so on, that their power mostly serves these ends.

Today’s EPs wear the emblems of the people, just as they have for centuries, but behind closed doors, with family and other EPs, they take off their masks, and engage in all manner of sordid conversation, and activities, the likes of which the vast majority of people can’t imagine.

Only a barbarous elite that doesn’t mean to rule for very long, like the sort of elites that ruled during the Greek or European dark ages, or the sort of elites that rule Africa today, reveals to the people exactly who they are, but even sophisticated elites can’t help but drop a few hints from time to time.

Closely related to the elite psychopath is the elitist.

The elitist, unlike the psychopath, is sometimes capable of caring for others besides himself (and his immediate family), on some level, but not much about people he considers beneath him, only about people he believes are on his level, and he believes he’s on a much higher level than most.

For him, most people are subhuman.

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I know little of Tupac, but based on this, less it was an act he put on to sell, he was much too chivalrous be an ubermensch, he was more like a Robin Hood, the people’s champ.
Champion of women, presumably the poor, the untermensch.