Have You guys tried another spin? Caused and uncaused, like two sides of a single coin may meet somewhere, somehow?
In case of the coin, the Christ splendidly demonstrated, that we should give credence to Caesar, and to Man that, which belongs to their respective domains?
If that proposition is senseless, then primary on its respective substantial faces, they are only imprints on a piece of metal. The imprints are not real in the sense of 'something is real that was caused by the pressing of a substance against a substance.
But if the force it took to produce an image, it had to represent the image that force produced.
The metal is where the figure produced by the force becomes the image, literally.
It’s odd to say of the substance and the image that they meet somewhere, but in another sense they do.
They meet because the have never disassociated, they merely have always existed, the caused of the imprint and the uncaused of the image meet on another level.
What is that level? Is there that level other then the caused one that resulted in pressuring a force to create that image?
Is there a higher syntax within which the substantial can be included, rather then excluded?
The diamond unearthed used to be a tree, then a rock . The impression brilliance gives was literally a naturally caused process, the realization of that is devolutionary.
Can our entropic psychic process be comparable? Is our harsh insistence on anti-natural explanations which destroyed the basic reasons for our existence an undermining way below the level of that reason, and we are forced to jump into a higher mode of sense, more quickly that the substantial will allow.
We surface too quickly and we loose awareness of what it takes to build it.