"Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:07 pm

lizbethrose wrote:I read some of these posts and am completely at sea...What exactly are you talking about?

I've been seeing psychiatrists for years--I've been on psychiatric drugs for years--I'm not 'sick', I just ran out of serotonin years ago... Since I was born without a mental epidermis, I react to things other people can take, with only a hiccough or two, in their mental strides, in an apparent 'abnormal' way. Sure, it's abnormal--but what's abnormal? Isn't that simply outside the 'average?'

Most of us are 'outside the average' in some way(s)--my way is just my way.

I don't see a psychiatrist for me. I see a psychiatrist for the people I have to deal with every day.

I take drugs that help me become less "different" from the people around me as well as to be able to express myself in ways that, hopefully, those people, including my psychiatrist, will try to understand and accept. At the same time, the drugs help me to understand my reactions and, again hopefully, to enable me to 'govern' my reactions so that other people understand why I've acted the way I have--or, at least, can try to accept me as I am.

"Oh, that's just Liz...She weeps for every tree that's cut down for no reason...That's just the way she is..."

My psychiatrist gives me drugs so he can understand me, as well. How else would he be able to know me, if he weren't able to give me what I need to be 'normal?'

How else would he be able to 'listen' and, through talk therapy, even begin to try to help?

Good to hear from you again. After seven years of this thread, have we come any closer to discovering the conditions of what it means to be normal?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby lizbethrose » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:30 am

Ierrellus,

I had an appointment with my psychiatrist yesterday. I asked him to not take me off my medications because I was able, during the last month, to meet a stumbling block and get through it.

It was a simple thing, but it made my insides 'jingle.' I can't describe it any other way.

But I was able to stop and understand that my insides were trembling, then gather up my control and do what I could to deal with and then change the situation. My psychiatrist and I were very proud of me.

Those of us who have been burdened with not being "normal" because of genetics--i.e., the inability to create the chemicals needed to be normal--to fall within the high points of the "normal" bell curve, are--or should be--very happy with our meds. It would be very nice if the big Pharms didn't gouge, but, then, I realize just how much neurology and the workings of the brain have advanced within even the last 20 years.

It's amazing.

Now, if we can just convince people that we're not crazy...

But that's fighting deep, deep feelings in others...isn't it?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:50 am

It could be understood on another way. May be our being out of vac in the first place causes an over/under production of certain chemicals, for instance: if one is in constant fear, the production of norepinephrine , creates a constant feedback of it, setting the stage for a bio feedback of the vicious circle kind.I guess both scenarios are possible, sometimes the emotional umbalance, other times its the hormonal unbalance that starts it.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby lizbethrose » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:57 am

So then why, Meno, be against medication that can help?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:20 am

lizbethrose wrote:So then why, Meno, be against medication that can help?


I am not against meds generally, but needless medication of people who could benefit from other treatment options, which are foreclosed whereby : such as cognitive and analytical talk therapy, for lack of funds rather then insight.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby lizbethrose » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:07 pm

Yes, funding for psychiatric help can be difficult for most and impossible for many, especially with public psychiatric hospitals closed and with Obamacare under attack.

I really feel, however, and I've gone through both, that talk therapy alone--or drug therapy without talk therapy--doesn't work as well as a combination of both. :)
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:34 pm

lizbethrose wrote:So then why, Meno, be against medication that can help?
Drug companies do not need to publish negative results of their studies regarding a particular drug. They can then refer to just the postive result studies. A couple of researchers useod the freedom of information act to get all the results. They found that wehn looking at all studies there was a very very small, almost completely negligible postive result on average using drugs.

However, there was a very significant, iow rather large set of bad side effect results for psychotropics.

IOW it actually makes more sense to refer to the positive effects as a tiny side effect and the drugs as effective in cause bloating, dizziness, suicidal ideation, dry mouth, paranoid thoughts, serious weight gain and so on.

These drugs are good at producing problematic emotional and physical effects, and quite near null at producing positive emotional effects.

And this would include effects that inhibit the effectiveness of talk therapies.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:02 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
lizbethrose wrote:So then why, Meno, be against medication that can help?
Drug companies do not need to publish negative results of their studies regarding a particular drug. They can then refer to just the postive result studies. A couple of researchers useod the freedom of information act to get all the results. They found that wehn looking at all studies there was a very very small, almost completely negligible postive result on average using drugs.

However, there was a very significant, iow rather large set of bad side effect results for psychotropics.

IOW it actually makes more sense to refer to the positive effects as a tiny side effect and the drugs as effective in cause bloating, dizziness, suicidal ideation, dry mouth, paranoid thoughts, serious weight gain and so on.

These drugs are good at producing problematic emotional and physical effects, and quite near null at producing positive emotional effects.

And this would include effects that inhibit the effectiveness of talk therapies.

Do you have any links for those couple of researchers and their findings regarding drug studies? That was regarding psych drugs only rather than all meds right?
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