## There isn't really a muse thread.

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Hello Mowk.

My wife is on CPAP. If ever she gets it, it could serve as respirator. The only problem, it spews out the unfiltered exhaled air.

It has been looked at as an alternative, but dismissed as harboring too much risk.
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Meno_ wrote:Hello Mowk.

My wife is on CPAP. If ever she gets it, it could serve as respirator. The only problem, it spews out the unfiltered exhaled air.

It has been looked at as an alternative, but dismissed as harboring too much risk.

Hello Meno_.
My wife has been on a CPAP machine as well. I've looked at it from the respirator perspective but I'm not seeing how that would work.

To the best of my awareness the ventilators used in hospitals simply filter the exhaled air and I don't know what size particle that filter was designed to trap. That's one of the problems requiring the use of PPE in the care of individuals hospitalized. I think it is a problem of isolation at the source. Masks and filters for that matter simply attempt to stop the spread through entrapment, yet make no attempt to render the bug incapable of reproducing else where.

If sick and must wear a mask, that person is forced to re-inhale the problem causing virus over and over again. It would seem like that could be making it harder to recover from. What would, I think be helpful, is a mask that traps the bug and an renders it incapable of reproducing on contact within the "trap". For those not infected, a mask that entraps the bug and renders it harmless before it is breathed into the lungs to reproduce. If we could do that it would not be the bug it is.

Many countries have gone so far as to go out in the world and attempt to sanitize the outside surroundings.

The effectiveness of an N-95 mask. When properly fit, is designed to catch 0.3 micron particles, 95% of the time. *
* https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... china.html

I'm not thinking making your own mask out of denim and curtain lining is going to provide much protection. But maybe if you used a HEPA vacuum cleaner bag you might have more luck.

Another note is the virus travels on larger molecules or clumps of cells like mucus, and even T-shirt cotton when folded a few time can catch material that large. Like I said it would be helpful to render the bug harmless as well in these forms of traps.
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Just saw an article about converting a BiPAP device into a ventilator. But not a CPAP device.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news ... entilators.

But I suppose if you could rig the air pressure though some sort of external mechanical oscillator, a breathing rhythm could be produced from the constant air pressure produced by a CPAP machine . Add a HEPA filter or two, and you've got a primitive ventilator. The device would need some controls to regulate things like air volume and delivery pressure, breathing rhythm, pause time between cycles.
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A new mask design. An airtight fitted mask with a one-way valve in it. This would allow for a filter comprised of cotton fabric lined with a HEPA material to filter incoming air, paired to an exhalation filter designed to "kill" the virus and retire it in place.

The mask would be constructed of a material that can easily be disinfected and it's filters replaced as circumstance requires.

Get these on the faces of every possible carrier. And attack the remaining virus population on the outside of living organisms where it can't reproduce.

The Gov. of New York city shared that a N-95 mask sold for 79 cents in January and they are being sold on-line in march for over 7 dollars. Well that is an example of capitalism in play scrabbling to make a quick buck or seven, a greater and greater return on investment. Nothing other than any capitalist does. And just now, that is crooked? WTF?
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It is what is happening in the professionalization of sport and those franchises.
It is what is happening in entertainment in general through the idea of a "star" is born. And the financial influence of an Academy Award.
It is what is happening in stock fund management in the financial sector.
It is what is happening now when our government uses it's citizens taxes to support corporations that are too big to fail. Corporations are just people with vastly dissimilar assets.

And just now buying low and selling high is crooked?

"And a god looked at all that he created and exclaimed it is good."

Just what sort of imagination does one require to make some sense from that?

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In the most extreme examples of ventilation requirement a tube is inserted into the patients air way that requires blocking it entirely to prevent the respiratory system from collapsing. In those cases feeding can only be accomplish via the bloods circulatory system. That's when the shit gets critical.
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So far I've been through two Covid screenings and the question is now in the hands of my primary care provider. Have been home since our state issued a statewide "Safer at Home" order, but only started wearing a home made mask within the last week. Sure would suck if I'm been responsible for spreading it around.

I've been to the grocery store twice, (most recent trip wearing a mask. Fleet Farm once, no mask, (before the recommendation), Home Depot once, no mask, (before the recommendation), Local Liquor store once, wore a mask, Local pharmacy twice, once to find out they were sold out of thermometers , second time wore a mask to find out they were sold out of Oximeters, and got may hair cut once, prior to showing symptoms.

Still have a dry cough, shortness of breath, and fatigue. Haven't had a fever in over a month.
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A nurse got back to me with the doctors recommendations. There isn't a reliable test yet to determine if I've developed antibodies. And if I am over it there wouldn't be a virus left that currents test could detect. Some experience permanent lung damage so the symptoms remaining are consistent with that. She suggested blowing up a balloon once a day as a way to check if my lung capacity has been affected and monitor the symptoms to see if they get worse, and of course she suggested quitting smoking.

Interesting to note that all four of my grandparents lived through the Spanish flu pandemic.
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Hoping You are feeling better. I heard double takes on reinfections, and they are almost contradictory. One opinion is, that there is added immunity, which will make a reinfections more unlikely, at most, and with a vastly improved outcome, at least. However, even with pets getting it, there is too much uncertainty.
The newest finding is blood coagulation and the formation of obstructions which predispose to heart attacks, in newly found effects of the disease.

Maybe can be attributed to sudden mutations?

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Thanks Meno_.
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I am under the opinion Life matters regardless of racism or for that matter species, so making it about "black life mattering" is making it racist. The real question is the exercise of authority. Race isn't the issue. I'm a white guy and I've been harassed by authoritarian "Sate" troopers with guns in hand. Regardless of human rights you gotta sort a be subservient to that mentality in law enforcement or you end up dead. Been there. Yes sir, flat on my face, hands behind my back for crossing a white line to go right, around some one turning left on a highway.

That's the fucking attitude causing the problem. Some dick wad thinking a speed trap is enforcing the letter of the law. And that is why violence was the result. Any fucking race with a cultural predisposition to treat females as subservient will treat anyone with less authority as subservient. "Class" is cultural and with it comes one's own right over an others perceived lesser right.

It isn't a race issue. Not in >here< anyway. It's control freaks.
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I don't feel for the health care industry one bit. I was camping, tripped and banged my brow, eight stitches later. The emergency room bill for 28 minutes of service over 6 hours of time spent waiting came to $7,900 and some change. Bodies in beds is a gold mine to hospital emergency rooms. 30 day stay - critical care?$300,000 easy, per bed. Nearing 90% capacity, gotta come up with extra beds, bonanza. Live or die it doesn't matter.

Poor over worked employees, tough shit. Corrupt system.

Our healthcare industry is taking advantage as always. Government contracts....at the health care industries going rate. Yeah, sure... we'll make that vaccine for you....

The numbers aren't the news.
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People ask some of the oddest questions. Like they really mean something. Where is true meaning found? LOL. People ask some of the oddest of questions.

359.zeta If I am going to just ride round and round I might as well get off.
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In >this< there is a staggering amount of profit being made. So, business... as usual. Want a covid test? Win the lotto or get drafted by a professional sports team.
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Now that I think about it All People are created equally intrinsically. Intellect, capability, race, and gender doesn't matter. Democracy is all about an equal vote. One person one vote. And that is what democracy is all about.

How much discretionary income is available to an individual voter is moot.

But here is were capitalism has turned the scales. The attitude in pricing is the highest the market will bear, and is tied to the notion of available discretionary income. PAC's are a great example. The tactics they implore have nothing to do with the truth and every thing to do with taking statements out of context and spinning reality, and both parties are quite adept at spinning what "IS" taking place, and attitudes surrounding the circumstances.

Is that a democracy where all capable citizens vote is equal? One might argue inequality in capacity is not equally created. And I agree, we are not all created equitably within circumstance beyond our individual control, we are created equally in our capacity to be involved in the democratic process. One person, one vote, regardless of access to discretionary income.

A greater union, accomplishing this would recognize it. A lesser union ignores it and claims itself greater regardless.

PAC's messages aren't truthful, the messages and opions are the fake news Trump will be remembered for. Coming from both parties affiliated streams of influence. Which tips the scales that all votes are not equal and neither are those casting the votes. The media and it's sponsors have become the main stream contributors of a faked assessment of the reality of every individual occupying the planet.

Corruption rules and ruins a democracy, where equal is not an equality. God doesn't matter, man's assessment of his brothers and sisters does. The result of a greater union is the goal, Not which party can spin the rosiest picture on a dismal circumstance.

There is a lot of money being lost in America and a lot of money being made. The majoring of the population is comming out on the short end of the stick and those capitalizing on a pretty shitty circumstance are profiting greatly. That is what has held the market from collapse, there are still a lot of people making a lot of money and they are just scoping up the money others are losing.
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Mowk wrote:Now that I think about it All People are created equally intrinsically. Intellect, capability, race, and gender doesn't matter. Democracy is all about an equal vote. One person one vote. And that is what democracy is all about.

How much discretionary income is available to an individual voter is moot.

But here is were capitalism has turned the scales. The attitude in pricing is the highest the market will bear, and is tied to the notion of available discretionary income. PAC's are a great example. The tactics they implore have nothing to do with the truth and every thing to do with taking statements out of context and spinning reality, and both parties are quite adept at spinning what "IS" taking place, and attitudes surrounding the circumstances.

Is that a democracy where all capable citizens vote is equal? One might argue inequality in capacity is not equally created. And I agree, we are not all created equitably within circumstance beyond our individual control, we are created equally in our capacity to be involved in the democratic process. One person, one vote, regardless of access to discretionary income.

A greater union, accomplishing this would recognize it. A lesser union ignores it and claims itself greater regardless.

PAC's messages aren't truthful, the messages and opions are the fake news Trump will be remembered for. Coming from both parties affiliated streams of influence. Which tips the scales that all votes are not equal and neither are those casting the votes. The media and it's sponsors have become the main stream contributors of a faked assessment of the reality of every individual occupying the planet.

Corruption rules and ruins a democracy, where equal is not an equality. God doesn't matter, man's assessment of his brothers and sisters does. The result of a greater union is the goal, Not which party can spin the rosiest picture on a dismal circumstance.

There is a lot of money being lost in America and a lot of money being made. The majoring of the population is comming out on the short end of the stick and those capitalizing on a pretty shitty circumstance are profiting greatly. That is what has held the market from collapse, there are still a lot of people making a lot of money and they are just scoping up the money others are losing.

That's it,why more people are getting infected and dying in the US than in all other countries, ; because a simple trade off , is the prioritizing of people's lives against the economic welfare of the state.

Oops, here goes that nasty configuration again, by the people, for the people and through the people.

No wonder, there is no trace of the meaning of the Constitution., where the substantives have been eliminated.

Why even mention of a 'Constitutional '' crisis'' '?
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