The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:48 am

How bout this thought?

If the Moon directs the life of women in a sense, or is the most determining factor, is somehow the most central thing, does it not make sense that the Moon is a man?
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:04 am

The moon is associated with female on the account that its orbit is similar to human female menstrual cycle (28 days on average). It is possible that it was not always the case.
The menstrual cycle in our closest primate relatives (chimps) is slightly longer. Perhaps the menstrual cycle in the human females has evolved, or changed over time.
2. The menstrual cycle starts, i.e., menarche occurs, at different ages in different species. In Old World monkeys, such as the rhesus monkey, menarche occurs at about 4 years of age. In the great apes, it occurs at about 8-10 years if the animals are living in nature, at about 6-7 years if they live in captivity where they receive more nutritious food and mature more quickly. In humans, menarche occurs at about 11-14, but this can vary depending upon heredity, diet, and perhaps, climate.

3. The duration of the menstrual cycle varies with species; about 29 days in orang-utans, about 30 days in gorillas and about 37 days in chimpanzees. Incidentally, the duration of estrus also varies in these species; about 4-6 days in female orang-utans, about 2-3 days in gorillas and about 10-14 days in chimpanzees. Both the menstrual cycle and estrus vary in duration somewhat among females of the same species. The figures given here are approximations or averages.

http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/aboutp/anat/menstrual.html

It has been assumed the lunar gender switch happened when man switched from hunter gatherer lifestyle to farming. The change in nutrition may have shortened the menstrual cycle of the human female to incidentally conicide with the lunar cycle. Unfortunately, there is not much info available on the length of menstrual cycle of pre agricultural females, so it’s just a guess. It would explain why emphasis was on protective, rather than reproductive aspects of the moon; or, in other words, there simply may not have been any such existing comparisons.
(I may look into it some more)
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:18 am

This is an interesting read (on hunter gatherer child bearing and raising):
https://www.google.com/amp/s/motherhood ... acing/amp/
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:34 pm

I'll give that a read.

I think it goes beyond menstrual cycles. Women I have met who are into astrology tend without fail to give most importance to the Moon, and the enthusiasm or feeling is very palpable. I think if you want to find an academic explanation, it probably has to do with cycles in a much broader context than menstruation. How women, not having a lot of testosterone, feel more at the mercy of the world and its waves, so the Moon, which regulates so closely the behavior of the world, is their friend par exelence. It puts the world in their favor, it is the uncontrolable outside world giving cycles and influences that contribute to fertility and general maintenance of life. It is FOR life, an external non-enemy.

This would be even more important in a nomadic hunter gatherer society. You are more at the mercy of the world, not less.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:24 pm

But it does not explain the appearent gender switch of moon (and sun) in some cultures. Arabic cultures (who have always been quite keen on astronomy) still use lunar calendar, and in Arabic the moon (qamar) is still male, and sun (shams) is female.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby promethean75 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:51 pm

actually the sun and moon underwent operations to become transgender. they realized the only way to resolve the conflicts between cultures which still assign different genders to them, they'd have to become both genders. the operations were celestial and the results were stellar... although the bill was astronomical, as you can imagine. the gravity of this has only just begun affecting the tax payers who paid for the procedures.

you think the sun and moon looked good before, you ought to see them now. they're heavenly bodies.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:51 pm

You beat me to that joke.

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Since neither sun nor moon have actual genders, the attributions tell of what kind of experience the male and female lives are in different cultures.

The lunar male is no stranger to us nocturnal philosophers.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:34 pm

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