Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:08 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Do you actually believe that a God is responsible for all of the wrongs in this world?


Mostly, yes. Imaginary Gods.


What about what atheist communist regimes and neo-con corporate processes, like those, say, in Latin America carried out by corportions. That easily outdoes in the 20th century deaths related to religion.

I see no reason to assume that the end of the organized religions will get rid of most of the wrongs in the world?

which does not mean i am a fan of them.[/quote]

We have nearly 5,000 of history that is mostly of war and the vast majority have claimed to be religiously affiliated.

Sure the secular have cause wars but not nearly as much as the religious majority.

We may never rid ourselves of the immoral mainstream religions but need to try.

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:18 pm

Greatest I Am,


Do you actually believe that a God is responsible for all of the wrongs in this world?

Mostly, yes. Imaginary Gods.


I was speaking of the Judaic/Christian God. Only one supposedly there.
It is we ourselves who have drawn this God into the matrix with us.

So do you agree or not with me that humans alone are responsible for the wrongs in this world or do you hold the J/C god accountable? You do call yourself a Christian.

As a Gnostic Christian, what is your concept of God?
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:30 pm

If all hell is is pure punishment, which it is, without purpose, do you not think that only an evil and twited AGod would punish without a purpose?



The way that I look at it, we have a great tendency to make God into our OWN image and likeness, and since many of us actually do punish one another without a real purpose or cause, sometimes simply because we can and because we cannot figure our lives out, have no real control of them ~~ voila ~~ we have created the concept of an eternal punishment ~~ HELL!

Do you see an emotional and physical hell after death?
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:42 pm

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."


Such blasphemy.

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“Regain your senses, call yourself back, and once again wake up. Now that you realize that only dreams were troubling you, view this 'reality' as you view your dreams.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:24 pm

Greatest I Am,

There is some cases where the children will suffer from their parents actions, but to legislate or demand that suffering is immoral.


There is another way of looking at it. It all depends how you interpret that saying or how you choose to interpret it especially when one comes from a biased perspective.

It was not necessarily God legislating or demanding that the children of the parents suffer from their parents' actions. It was not some kind of an edict.

You can look at it in the same way that you or me might tell someone who is really drunk: "If you get into that car and drive, you may just kill yourself or someone else.

It is like psychology l0l or like cause and effect. The very negative actions and unconscionable behavior of parents can affect the lives of their children in the future. A God does not need to pass down an edict making the children deliberately suffer for the parent's action ~~ it is cause and effect.

Anyone looking to blame God is simply unable to live with the question: Why do bad things happen to good people or something like that.
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:05 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Greatest I Am,


Do you actually believe that a God is responsible for all of the wrongs in this world?

Mostly, yes. Imaginary Gods.


I was speaking of the Judaic/Christian God. Only one supposedly there.
It is we ourselves who have drawn this God into the matrix with us.

So do you agree or not with me that humans alone are responsible for the wrongs in this world or do you hold the J/C god accountable? You do call yourself a Christian.

As a Gnostic Christian, what is your concept of God?


It is all said in our name for God.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

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As to J C. It is all myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

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Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:08 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:[

Do you see an emotional and physical hell after death?


No. I, as a Gnostic Christians, hold no supernatural beliefs.

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