Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:38 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I'm going to put this very succinctly and I hope everyone on this board understands the full magnitude of this:

Nobody fucking owns anybody

A vow of ownership is evil, even a vow of mutual ownership.

Now you know.

I suppose we have to dispense with the economy too, since it's almost entirely dependent on contracts, on limited, mutual, temporary 'ownership', if that's what you want to call it.
To me it's just being honest and upfront with the person you profess to love.


Ok, let's be honest here. How often do you find yourself saying, "my mom, my dad, my child, my cat. Etc...". For another BEING!!

Contracts of "my being" are null and void in enlightened society.

The only thing there is to get around religious slavery "we all belong to god" in the English language is to use the word: dedicated (unceremoniously)

You do realize that a ceremony in and of itself is to celebrate the greatest evil in existence: zero sum, "I win, everyone else on earth loses, yeah me!"

Marriage is massively unethical on even more scales than those. It also as the conspicuous consumption of relationship, positively reenforces the destruction of the ecosystem.

Marriage also defends, rape, murder and torture globally

I can prove all of this: ask your specific questions
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:49 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:I'm going to put this very succinctly and I hope everyone on this board understands the full magnitude of this:

Nobody fucking owns anybody

A vow of ownership is evil, even a vow of mutual ownership.

Now you know.

I suppose we have to dispense with the economy too, since it's almost entirely dependent on contracts, on limited, mutual, temporary 'ownership', if that's what you want to call it.
To me it's just being honest and upfront with the person you profess to love.


Ok, let's be honest here. How often do you find yourself saying, "my mom, my dad, my child, my cat. Etc...". For another BEING!!

Contracts of "my being" are null and void in enlightened society.

The only thing there is to get around religious slavery "we all belong to god" in the English language is to use the word: dedicated (unceremoniously)

You do realize that a ceremony in and of itself is to celebrate the greatest evil in existence: zero sum, "I win, everyone else on earth loses, yeah me!"

Marriage is massively unethical on even more scales than those. It also as the conspicuous consumption of relationship, positively reenforces the destruction of the ecosystem.

Marriage also defends, rape, murder and torture globally

I can prove all of this: ask your specific questions


I'm ready to do this with the entire board right now.

There's a very good reason in another thread that I stated "I already know you're all fucked in the head" in the politics section:

Cmon let's do this!

I'm ready
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:12 am

Now, before we actually get into this, I'm not mad at you, nor am I trying to change you.

I don't expect anyone to grow but myself.

You'll understand after all this is revealed, why I'm trying to turn all eternal forms into hyperdimensional mirrors.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:35 am

Ecmandu wrote:Now, before we actually get into this, I'm not mad at you, nor am I trying to change you.

I don't expect anyone to grow but myself.

You'll understand after all this is revealed, why I'm trying to turn all eternal forms into hyperdimensional mirrors.


I'm going to explain something that may strike you as very weird:

I like all your shit.

I don't have to defend you.

I'm from a different dimension than all of you.

I, as a hardliner, can easily hell this entire species, and just walk away with clean hands.

But I love earth, I love things like this that you should be sent to hell for...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_3DZpym-0

Because I actually really do love and give a shit about your beauty, you are protected by me.

Now, personally, I don't like any of you.

But you have potential. I see it.

You folks misunderstand me completely if you think I'm trying to hell you

I like cell phones, I like tv and some of the movies you make.

Don't worry about a thing, because, I like your shit.

I can have human children, but I'm basically a different species.

I don't hold it against you.

I exist on a different dimension than the rest of you.

I like shit about conversations about nature here, trees, flowers.

I'm also well aware they have their own spirits, I talk to them. They don't like what you're doing to earth.

When I say that I exist on a different dimension than the rest of you, it's quite real.

The thing is, I love the earth...

I know how to defend you from beings who think otherwise in my dimension.

This earth will never die.

I like it as home.

And I will make it my home, and yours if you so choose, to live in it beautifully again.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Gloominary » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:53 am

@Karpal

So, it would be OK if they did it openly, in this justification. IOW if they took the risks of natural causes. But generlly it is the spouse who reports the crime, so I generally would have to know. And frankly I don't feel any benefit from say, one of her friends reporting her to the police. Tell me, and let natural emotional social consquences follow.

If people want an open marriage, for whatever, reasons, they can have a non-state marriage, but if they want a state marriage, it shouldn't be open.

I think that's too simple. Though certainly these may be better options. and I think it is up to me, not the state to decide how she should have handled it. I don't need them coming in, when I am capable of dealing with it, the way I want to.

Than don't sign the state marriage contract.

I wouldn't want the state coming in regarding friendships. My friend is back talking me and other shit, so the state gets involved.

Than don't sign any friendship contracts, should such things ever come into existence (I'm not saying I want them to exist, I don't care).

I realize there is a legal aspect to the marriage, it is an official contract, which actually I think is wrong. I had to get married because of international aspects of our situation. Or, let's say, it made sense for practical reasons and the idea certainly fit our feelings for each other. But otherwise I would not have done it. I don't see it as the state's business and I also see them as not competent to deal with my relationships or to be my whip.

My opinion is that it's right, if that's what couples want to do.
It will help prevent you from being cheated when you don't want to be cheated.

To me, accountalbe to me, and to children if they are involved and to the other guy also. In the sense that she or I - if I cheated - might be fucking over someone else, the other woman, let's say, also.

To have the state punish her: It's like I am a child and the state has to look out for my welfare and take care of things I can take care of.

Are you a child when the state enforces a business contract between you and another?

If you think you, your wife and children if you have any will be better off without state intervention, very well, don't sign the contract, but for thousands of years, people did, and I think if the option were made available again, many people would.

NOthing is going to fix it all, but I don't need the people who, for example, might have been school principals - iow some bureaucrat - fixing my wife's unfaithfulness. Or lawyers getting in there. I mean, that is like getting a dentist to fix my bike.

We have family courts now, I don't see what the big deal is.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Gloominary » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:06 am

Ok, let's be honest here. How often do you find yourself saying, "my mom, my dad, my child, my cat. Etc...". For another BEING!!

Contracts of "my being" are null and void in enlightened society.

The only thing there is to get around religious slavery "we all belong to god" in the English language is to use the word: dedicated (unceremoniously)

You do realize that a ceremony in and of itself is to celebrate the greatest evil in existence: zero sum, "I win, everyone else on earth loses, yeah me!"

Marriage is massively unethical on even more scales than those. It also as the conspicuous consumption of relationship, positively reenforces the destruction of the ecosystem.

Marriage also defends, rape, murder and torture globally

I can prove all of this: ask your specific questions

I don't understand what you mean by "MY BEING"?
If I sign a contract saying my being will work for x company or my being will reside in x apartment suite for 6 months, and I fail to live up to said contract, I will be subject to whatever penalties exist in said contract.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:36 am

Gloominary wrote:@Karpal
A general reaction so far: I am not against some people wanting to have the someone or something monitor their relationships, though as a taxpayer, I object. I don't see why some people should get benefits I wouldn't and then I have to support financially the monitoring of their private relationships, where no violence or other kinds of what we usually think of now as crime are involved. IOW you get tax breaks, at least in the US for getting married, but in fact you create a tax burden since their are courts and monitor marriages when trouble arises. If someone can't trust the people in the relationship to work out the relationship and trust each other, fine. I think it's a bad idea to to have some third party be the stick, but fine again, I that's a bad choice, but theirs as adults to make. But that I have to pay to support this, is not OK. They should find a privat method to handle this and pay for it themselves.

I question the idea philosphically: do people really want to feel safer (and what is that safety?) from being cheated on, because an outside force scares their spouses? Instead of it being the actual feelings their loves have that gives them a feeling of safety. And then always having to wonder if without the stick of the state person would not cheat. I think that is bizarre. I would rather it was handled between us. IOW if they want external forces to maintain relationships that might not last or be what they want, then they can write contracts with private companies - sort of like insurance. I don't know all the details of who this would work and private monitoring would preclude prison. But I can't see why my government should get involved.

If people want an open marriage, for whatever, reasons, they can have a non-state marriage, but if they want a state marriage, it shouldn't be open.
This is fair enough, but I don't want to pay taxes for the court system that monitors this.


Than don't sign the state marriage contract.
Given my international situation, I needed to. Of course, I am in a country that does not in any way punish adultery and I would never via my lawyer, should it come to that, use that against my wife. And it costs nothing here to dissolve a marriage. You can't even fight the other partner's wanting to leave.

Than don't sign any friendship contracts, should such things ever come into existence (I'm not saying I want them to exist, I don't care).
I wouldn't. But I think you probably understood the point I was making. We are talking about getting third parties to be a stick (as in carrot or stick) in relation to people we supposedly love. It seems to me it is a way of not facing one's own fears and relationships as they are.


My opinion is that it's right, if that's what couples want to do.
It will help prevent you from being cheated when you don't want to be cheated.
I don't think it is preventing much these days. And divorce rates are extremely high. I think we, as a species, is in general trying to deal with these issues more and more as people without state involvement. In principle I have no objection to some couples doing this, but I don't want to have to pay taxes to support it, nor do I want them to get tax benefits while actually creating more tax need. I also think they are trying to protect themselves from fears that they still need to face anyway, and also askign the state to be there to take revenge.

Are you a child when the state enforces a business contract between you and another?
I made the distinction between loved ones and stranger enforcement. I understand why the state comes in sometimes when it has to do with children - since they cannot just leave the parent and are psychologically dependent. And I can understand why the courts would help me with a broken contract and a corporation.

If you think you, your wife and children if you have any will be better off without state intervention, very well, don't sign the contract, but for thousands of years, people did, and I think if the option were made available again, many people would.
They pretty much had to do it. Extramarital sex was a sin and dangerous to engage in in a church controlled society.


We have family courts now, I don't see what the big deal is.
and they can deal with situations where children are in some way in danger or neglected. But adults should be able to fix these situations on their own.

And again, do you really want a court to be the threat that keeps your wife from cheating?

Me, I'd rather know that her faithfulness comes from our feelings for each other. I can be vastly more sure of this, since their is no external stick keeping her 'in line' or keeping me 'in line'. We are choosing to be together without a threat, and choosing to be faithful without a threat.

And I want us, in general, to see if we can work these things out.

And then, I don't want to pay to support other people's choices related to this. They are adults, work it out.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:46 pm

So again, another strange post from yours truly...

I don't think you all understand the massive damage you are doing to earth with religion: marriage and churches, and I mean: massive.

This is like the capitalism thread, where I simply made the comment that these long posts are mental masturbation because of monopolies.

So here's the deal, all these "nuanced" discussions about marriage and homosexuality etc... they're meaningless -- but -- I like the potential of this planet, so I'm working to resolve what religions are dumping on you as "karmic" debt.

I hope you can understand that and take it in.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby promethean75 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:54 am

This is like the capitalism thread, where I simply made the comment that these long posts are mental masturbation because of monopolies.


Lol that single thread is more important than anything you've ever said in your entire time at this forum. Infinitely more relevant, real, full of substance, indicative of real problems and social issues.

Sorry bro bro, but I had to say it. Your neurosis has progressed a few stages in the last couple months. I'm noticing a much higher frequency of self adulation lately which is not good for your therapy. I want to try and prevent a complete regression into the basket you are quickly becoming a case for.
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:20 am

promethean75 wrote:
This is like the capitalism thread, where I simply made the comment that these long posts are mental masturbation because of monopolies.


Lol that single thread is more important than anything you've ever said in your entire time at this forum. Infinitely more relevant, real, full of substance, indicative of real problems and social issues.

Sorry bro bro, but I had to say it. Your neurosis has progressed a few stages in the last couple months. I'm noticing a much higher frequency of self adulation lately which is not good for your therapy. I want to try and prevent a complete regression into the basket you are quickly becoming a case for.


I'm self adulating because I know I'm right. Which is a massive accomplishment ... not because I've accomplished my goal.

I'm the sole person on this path, and I know the rest of you are on the path of destruction.

If I die trying, (so to speak), I'll have died with clear conscience, which is not something I can say for others.

What you folks don't realize, is that your all fucked in the old systems. So if I lose, you're totally fucked...

Well all just be in one old system or another...

Me, you, all of us ...
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Re: Brunei: Adultery, Homosexuality - Stone to Death

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:42 am

Ecmandu wrote:
promethean75 wrote:
This is like the capitalism thread, where I simply made the comment that these long posts are mental masturbation because of monopolies.


Lol that single thread is more important than anything you've ever said in your entire time at this forum. Infinitely more relevant, real, full of substance, indicative of real problems and social issues.

Sorry bro bro, but I had to say it. Your neurosis has progressed a few stages in the last couple months. I'm noticing a much higher frequency of self adulation lately which is not good for your therapy. I want to try and prevent a complete regression into the basket you are quickly becoming a case for.


I'm self adulating because I know I'm right. Which is a massive accomplishment ... not because I've accomplished my goal.

I'm the sole person on this path, and I know the rest of you are on the path of destruction.

If I die trying, (so to speak), I'll have died with clear conscience, which is not something I can say for others.

What you folks don't realize, is that your all fucked in the old systems. So if I lose, you're totally fucked...

Well all just be in one old system or another...

Me, you, all of us ...


Let me explain this better. All the old systems have architectures... whether you like it or not, you're in one of them. Now here's the deal. I have proven those systems insolvent, but still being in them the architectures will turn on themselves.

We have to evolve!

Edit add: you could be a Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Sikh ... the list goes on. They all have their own architectures ... these architectures, using their own reason, collapse upon themselves ... this means that your architecture (even if you're good in it) will begin to attack you.

I hope that made sense.
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