Satori or below

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Satori or below

Postby Meno_ » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:41 pm

Is the concept of reincarnation plausible?

Given the idea that karma determines a station in life/death( if, presumably they are somehow connected), could it manifest in the way it would work?

Ok, lets say Your present life based on Your own participation to free YOURSELF from karmic cause and effect, (not only for yourself, but also for the myriad of predecessors who came before you,) whose karma are allegedly responsible for:your present state; could it be that your next station will better or worse in your next incarnation, do to these casual chains?

Let's assume that within the experiences we call 'life', animals and other organisms may also be included.

And again, let's assume that by messing up cause and effect big time , and meaning -messing up -falling drastically, or surfacing abruptly ,(.

For both are very much out of ordonary ordinary experience.

A lot of assumptions and primordial presumptions lead the way for either direction, for if the idea that one is responsible for the extreme form a for both directions , the present incarnation may be responsible for, the awareness that may leave the current holder totally unprepared to manage.

So if the fall is considered, then that fall and the repositioning of the identifiable aspects of it may not correspond to the conscious choice in the the assigned role.

Again, suppose, that a very heinous and terrible person degrades to the lowest moral identity possible, as an example he is a Hitler like mass murderer, and In his next life moral justification for a state of being as such , as member of the human race , mayb not suffice as a state of being in such an existence. He may be condemned to being a low level animal, an intelligent one like a swine.
Quite when newly born, it generally is bred to swather in dirt, and end at the end of a butcher's knife.

Does it intuitive it's fate, even at a minimum, and does that somehow lessen his motivation. to initiate an upward evolutionary direction? (By the supposed meritorious action of becoming fodder to higher human beings)

May well be that his evolution. could be very slow, and the lucky ones are those excellent specimens , who find themselves havens, such as zoos , where he dimly perceives himself as an unnoticably slow motivated animal sichbas a sloe.

Their existence will offer their it's own recompense, since the low level of consciousness will affect it as an anesthetic, by rewarding it with less conscious feeling toward the degree of pain involved in devoluting sense .
Pain of sense will form am equitable ring around the reward of devolution, and increasing pain , as this goes on, will accelerate the process, finally killing all sense of spatial temporal identity and recognition of situational criteria.

A very similar pain involved sudden elevation, and the most acute elevation. Includes the primary surge into the objective attainment of Satori on a subjective level.

The pain may be bacon to a birth, where the fetus hasn't break the primal bond with the uterus.

In that sense, each new birth may experience Sartori at the very inception of coming up from a dark cave, and the pain and the consciousness of light may be the primal characteristic of each new incarnation.

This is why certain exceptional children may be likened , by virtue of their keen maturity and am unusual degree of talent they appear to possess in their various endeavors.

Of the pain overwhelms them to a point where no amount of prior incarnation can justifies their primordial fears and hopes, they must be heading for an either / or course of total beravement - hell, without any possibility of salvation - or a state of absolute enclosure Inn the highest realm - heaven - , with no further need to disintegrate . if this is what goes on, then , rather have absolute lack of conscious motive to progress toward an upward evolutionary path, the path must be directed toward a total conscious inclusion in the most general symbiotic relationship with all things specified.

The either/or is supplanted by the good and evil.

On the devolition may reach a critical moment along the way , where a sudden burst of realization may reveal this, causing a sudden twist in the downward course , willing with an immense power of desire , to transfigure into a more stable and less violent being, as a deeply rooted tree.
Naturally a very much higher anesthetic will leave this being in state a very much deprived conscious.

This lack is to some degree more punishing then going again, through the evolutionary ladder once again.
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Re: Satori or below

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:24 am

The majority of Hindu religions believe in reincarnation, i.e. the whole mental self of a person can be transmigrated to animals or some higher beings.

Rebirth in Buddhism refers to its teaching that the actions of a person lead to a new existence after death, in endless cycles called saṃsāra. This cycle is considered to be dukkha, unsatisfactory and painful. The cycle stops only if liberation is achieved by insight and the extinguishing of desire.

Some Buddhists believe in rebirth.
Tibetan Buddhists believe in reincarnation, e.g. the Dalai Lama is reborn in some degree as a new child somewhere.
However, Buddhism-proper do not provide for the concept of rebirth as above.

I believe the concept of reincarnation and rebirth are driven by desperate psychology to soothe the inherent existential crisis.

Everything is inter-connected and inter-being, i.e. technically, one can trace a hurricane in Florida to a flap of a butterfly' wings in China in the slightest degrees. Thus our actions can effect the whole Earth and universe, our own future behaviors and that of future generations.

However to imply a sense-of-self and self-consciousness moving and reincarnating and reborn from one dead person to another body is absurd and irrational. As mentioned the sole reason for such ideas is due to existential psychology.
I am a progressive human being, a World Citizen, NOT-a-theist and not religious.
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