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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby tentative » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:15 pm

Antithesis wrote::lol:

You people are hilarious.
Time to get your aluminum and genetically modified fetal tissue laden corona vaccinations then.
Remember big gov and pharma love you.
It's funny how you guys think the confirmed cases are the only cases.
There's probably millions of unconfirmed, because this virus has little-no effect on most people.


Do you have some inside info that allows your bold statements? How do you know "millions of unconfirmed" cases? What is your expertise that allows your conclusions? Or, is this unsubstantiated opinion? On what basis should we assign credibility to your statements?
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby iambiguous » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:56 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/opin ... e=Homepage

Unless, coming from the Times, you want to call this liberal propaganda.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:01 am

iambiguous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/opinion/coronavirus-china-research.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Unless, coming from the Times, you want to call this liberal propaganda.


You do realise that we have to sign-in to read the NYT? No thanks.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby phyllo » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:07 am

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:14 am

I agree with Antithesis on the one hand there are buttloads of unreported cases of the virus since China is overwhelmed without staff, supplies, and beds for many, many people. On the other hand, there may be many people turned away from medical treatment since China's system is overwhelmed who went home and eventually died. Let's guesstimate 1.5 million infected and 50,000 deaths which would explain why China's crematoriums are running non-stop.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:17 am

phyllo wrote:That article is readable without signing in.


Incorrect Phyllo. If I didn't have to sign in with an email address, facebook, or google, then I'd be reading the article.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:35 am

tentative wrote:
Antithesis wrote::lol:

You people are hilarious.
Time to get your aluminum and genetically modified fetal tissue laden corona vaccinations then.
Remember big gov and pharma love you.
It's funny how you guys think the confirmed cases are the only cases.
There's probably millions of unconfirmed, because this virus has little-no effect on most people.


Do you have some inside info that allows your bold statements? How do you know "millions of unconfirmed" cases? What is your expertise that allows your conclusions? Or, is this unsubstantiated opinion? On what basis should we assign credibility to your statements?

I look at big gov, media and pharma the way most people look at used car salesmen.
The money is in fear, not in confidence.
'Trust the establishment, distrust everyone and everything else, including yourself'.
So whatever they say about a potential threat, right off the bat it's probably not as bad as they're saying.
So if they're telling us the death rate is 40:1, it's probably at most 80:1, but there's more to my position than that.

https://time.com/5772134/coronavirus-mild-symptoms/

According to records released by Chinese health authorities, most fatalities were older or had additional health problems.

So young-middle aged people who're in good-fair health don't have much to worry about, but that's a side point.

But researchers, including those at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), have noted that some of those with the Wuhan coronavirus have shown “little to no symptoms.” A study published in the medical journal the Lancet on Jan. 24 reported that a 10-year-old who was infected with the virus had no symptoms at all.

So about 1 out of 40 documented die, and of the remaining 39, some have severe symptoms, some moderate, some mild and some no symptoms at all.

Now, let's say you have a virus called x that infects 1000 people, and all of them have mild-no symptoms.
How many of those 1000 people are going to visit the doctor and be correctly diagnosed with x virus?
Dozens, a handful?
Most people don't go to the doctor for a mild cold.

So what are the odds all the people infected with corona that only had mild-no symptoms have all been documented?
Most who probably got infected and only developed mild-no symptoms probably haven't been documented, whereas most or all who developed severe symptoms or died have, so the 40:1 figure is misleading, it's probably more like 400:1, perhaps 4000 or 40000:1.

Notice how all these media articles don't talk about the undocumented.
They know a certain amount of undocumented are out there, of course they can't be sure exactly how many, but virologists could give you a rough estimate, so why aren't they, why aren't the media talking about it?
Because the media, which is controlled by big gov, big pharm and which makes its money off buying and selling fear, has no incentive to.

How come no one is talking about the difference between Chinese health and western?
Or differences in genetics?
Why was Sars never a big friggin deal, and all the rest of them?
We've probably all had Sars by now, what happened?
Nothing happened, or a handful of really old and really sick people died, like they're always going to.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby phyllo » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:24 am

Opinion | The Urgent Questions Scientists Are Asking About Coronavirus
By Gabriel Leung
9-11 minutes

Let’s start with what we don’t know.

Dr. Leung is an infectious disease epidemiologist and dean of medicine at the University of Hong Kong.

Feb. 10, 2020

GENEVA — Around the world and around the clock, scientists are trying to figure out what must be done to end the global health emergency unleashed by the new coronavirus. As the outbreak accelerates and spreads, dozens of countries have deployed increasingly stringent measures to try to contain the epidemic. Almost as quickly, in a herculean effort, an international network of researchers at data and wet laboratories has started gathering and analyzing data to unmask and disarm this perplexing new disease.

In magnitude, scale and velocity, this coronavirus, known as 2019-nCoV, is too big a problem for any one team to solve. On Monday, China reported its largest single-day death toll, 97, pushing the total reported dead worldwide to 910, with more than 40,500 people infected on four continents.

On Tuesday, I’m joining my fellow scientists at the World Health Organization headquarters for an urgent meeting to piece together, like a giant jigsaw puzzle, our findings so far. We need to get a clear view of the contagion and plug the holes in our understanding of the disease to inform public health decisions that affect hundreds of millions of lives. Science has a critical role to play in restoring calm.

Let’s start with what we know. The new coronavirus is a close cousin of viruses that infect bats. It jumped from an unconfirmed wild source (most likely bats) to an intermediate host, possibly pangolins or other small mammals, being sold as food at a market in Wuhan, a transportation and commercial hub in central China. The infected people unknowingly spread it to others, setting off the outbreak’s deadly journey. We now estimate that it takes about five to six days — possibly upward of 14 days — for someone to show symptoms after becoming infected.

What do we most need to know next? For epidemiologists who track infectious diseases, the most pressing concerns are how to estimate the lethality of the disease and who is susceptible; getting detailed information on how it spreads; and evaluating the success of control measures so far.

No. 1 is the “clinical iceberg” question: How much of it is hidden below the surface? Because the outbreak is still evolving, we can’t yet see the totality of those infected. Out of view is some proportion of mildly infected people, with minor symptoms or no symptoms, who no one knows are infected.

A fleet of invisible carriers sounds ominous; but in fact, an enormous hidden figure would mean many fewer of the infected are dying. Usually, simple math would determine this “case fatality” ratio: divide the total number of deaths by the total number of people infected. In an emerging epidemic, however, both numbers keep changing, and sometimes at different speeds. This makes simple division impossible; you will invariably get it wrong.

In 2003, during the early days of the SARS outbreak, the medical community got the math wrong. At first, we believed that case fatality hovered between 2 percent and 3 percent. It took two pages of longhand algebra, written in Oxford, England, coded into a computer in London and then applied to data from Hong Kong, to get it right. The actual case fatality for Hong Kong was staggering: 17 percent.

That’s not to suggest we’re facing as dire a scenario now. Several groups, including mine, are each using our own methods to calculate a preliminary estimate of the new virus’s lethality. If there’s near agreement among our findings, expected within the week, we’ll be more confident in describing the new coronavirus. Does it resemble the seasonal flu, SARS or one of the largest plagues in human history, the 1918-19 “Spanish flu” pandemic?

Knowing the number of people likely to die, or who get seriously sick or have zero symptoms, will help health authorities determine the strength of the response required. They can better estimate how many isolation beds, heart-lung machines and medicines, among other things, are needed.

Last month, to start understanding the severity of this illness, my team assisted Chinese experts in analyzing the initial 425 confirmed cases of infection. We learned that 65 percent of people had neither visited a market nor been exposed to another person showing pneumonialike symptoms, which implied, among other things, the possibility that some infected people don’t suffer from obvious symptoms — meaning the illness isn’t always severe.

Along with getting a grasp on the level of severity is figuring out susceptibility, or who is most at risk for infection. The data so far indicates that this would include older adults, the obese and people with underlying medical conditions. There are few reports of children becoming infected. But are they not showing symptoms, or are they immune? And could they infect others as silent carriers? We must study those under 18 to find out; the answers could help us fine-tune public health measures. For example, should schools in China and Hong Kong remain closed?

Returning to the big picture, we must also refine what we know about how the new coronavirus is passed between people. Even as the outbreak appears to keep escalating, we believe the rapid — sometimes necessarily draconian — response of governments and health authorities has made a dent in transmission. In another recent study, we estimated how many people could get infected if there were no drastic public health interventions. Our goal with this report was to sound the alarm over what could be, so that it wouldn’t be.

Scientists are working toward quantifying effectiveness of the response. We need to find out if the virus’s basic reproductive number, the R0 or R-naught, has dropped. While our earliest estimates showed that typically every person infected by the new coronavirus passes it to 2 to 2.5 others, it’s still too early to know if measures have reduced the number to below the critical threshold of 1.

Simultaneously, we’re closely watching the rest of the world for any large, sustained outbreaks that might resemble ground zero in Wuhan. We expect more clarity within days or weeks. As of Monday, the largest concentration of infected patients in a single location outside mainland China, at more than 130 people, is on a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, quarantined at Japan’s Yokohama port.

Finally, scientists need to appraise the control, or social distancing, measures deployed since the outbreak began. The challenge involves trying to quantify how many infections were actually prevented through measures such as wearing masks, closing schools and locking down cities. One possible approach to this assessment in China could involve using location services data from cellphones.

As we determine research priorities at the World Health Organization headquarters in Geneva this week, the hope is that the science being urgently coordinated will also fight the crisis on other fronts. It could help battle the emerging “infodemic,” the cacophony of real news, fake news and pseudoscience that feeds uncertainty and breeds panic.

And it could help roll back some measures seemingly fueled by populism and nativism. The travel advisories, outright travel bans, immigration controls and xenophobic treatment of people from different places are doing significant harm.

The goal is to stay at least a couple of steps ahead of the epidemic curve. Scientists must prepare health authorities to catch any subsequent waves of infections and prepare for the possibility that this particular virus could reappear seasonally — and maybe one day it could be only as bad as the common cold.

I’ve seen record-breaking outbreaks before and witnessed the world rally. If we all play our roles and remain on guard, then chances are we will defeat the new coronavirus, too. This is the best way to honor Dr. Li Wenliang, one of the first doctors in Wuhan to warn the world about the disease — the very one that killed him last week, at age 34.

Gabriel Leung (@gmleunghku), an epidemiologist who studied SARS and managed the response to the swine flu pandemic in Hong Kong, is founding director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control and dean of medicine at the University of Hong Kong. He is an adviser to the Hong Kong and China governments on the new coronavirus.

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:33 am

As we determine research priorities at the World Health Organization headquarters in Geneva this week, the hope is that the science being urgently coordinated will also fight the crisis on other fronts. It could help battle the emerging “infodemic,” the cacophony of real news, fake news and pseudoscience that feeds uncertainty and breeds panic.

And it could help roll back some measures seemingly fueled by populism and nativism. The travel advisories, outright travel bans, immigration controls and xenophobic treatment of people from different places are doing significant harm.

Bingo, there you go, this has agenda written all over it.

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:38 am

The establishment really hates nativism and populism.
Why?
Why, in a democracy, can't we have nativism and populism, if that's what the people want?
They will manufacture crises after crisis so they can offer solution after solution, and what is their solution?
Invariably it's the centralization of control.
It's always the centralization of control.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:50 am

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a capitalist, there are some things I don't like about capitalism, like intellectual property, because it both violates our liberty, and centralizes control.
Markets ought to be purged of such violations/centralizations.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:21 am

Thanks for the article Phyllo.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:36 pm

Well if you're a Jewish Israeli then populism/nativism is okay, but if you're anyone else, especially whitey, it's globalize, or die, of some manufactured crisis, like corona.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:45 pm

They're thinking, countries need to work together to stop the spread of corona, but I'm thinking, if corona is a big deal, which in all likelihood it isn't, all the more reason to ban immigration, and tourism for that matter, especially from Asia.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:04 pm

Don't be a:



Read:

http://www.chiropractic.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/1200-studies-The-Truth-Will-Prevail-3.pdf

Trust no one.

Consider info from multiple sources, establishment and antiestablishment, and make up your own mind.

On some levels, no one knows our bodies, minds and what we've been through better than we do, both as individuals and a collective (we the people, as opposed to academic and political 'authorities').

On some levels no one knows our children and what they've been through better than we do.

We decide who the experts are, if there are any, with our belief, dollar and vote.

Being an expert isn't a right, it's a privilege that must be continually earned.

No institution is immune to systemic corruption, fallibility and subjectivity, even your precious mainstream medicine, especially if we don't continually hold their feet to the fire.

No institution has a monopoly on empirical methods.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:45 pm

All nations rolling out 5G will get this stuff.

It was well known well in advance that this ultra high powered radiation kills the immune system, even kills animals en masse. Thats been well documented by governments in test programs, which is why the Dutch government has postponed the program. Anyway, within weeks of China rolling out their 5G network they get this.

Chinese are committing mass suicide with their hyper pollution and now these dumb annihilation-rays.

But yeah.... buy rice.

Yuumans.

(Radiation is invisible, this doesn't mean it "doesnt actually exist".)
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:53 pm

By the way, class act of you Maia, to let yourself be used by an abuser to insult a third party.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Antithesis » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:19 pm

I look at academic, political, media and medical institutions the way most people look at food, clothing and car companies.

While I have my preferences, based on my rational and intuitive interpretation of my experience, anecdotes and research I've conducted within and outside 'official' channels, just as I'm not absolutely loyal to one food, clothing or car company, I'm not absolutely loyal to one academic, political, media or medical institution.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:23 pm

Ive worked in media and know how they work. Truth is of zero importance, all important is telling a story.

Before I found this out I thought that mainstream media seem to be run by retards, because of the demonstrable bullshit they generally publish.

I am always taking the scientific approach. I know something of all relevant sciences and use that knowledge to construct a hierarchy of plausible theories, in every case where I have managed to scramble together some facts.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby promethean75 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:24 pm

Two atheists pretending to be blind (that's a stretch) and willing to recite the Bible word for word? Hahaha! You two got this!


No man I'm talking about sword fighting with ruffians under bridges and eating radiated housecats for dinner and walking twenty miles to find somebody who's got some AA batteries for trade/sale.

That's what being Men is all about. And we could use a good global pandemic to make us Men again.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:27 pm

promethean75 wrote:
Two atheists pretending to be blind (that's a stretch) and willing to recite the Bible word for word? Hahaha! You two got this!


No man I'm talking about sword fighting with ruffians under bridges and eating radiated housecats for dinner and walking twenty miles to find somebody who's got some AA batteries for trade/sale.

That's what being Men is all about. And we could use a good global pandemic to make us Men again.

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"Civilization and culture are opposites."

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby promethean75 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:34 pm

"a wild chicken is superior to a factory chicken" - W.L. (Winston Lurchhill)

Speaking of WC, I just watched 'the darkest hour' and oldman shoulda got a fucking Oscar for that movie. Maybe he did. I don't even know. But that scene was fantastic.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:45 pm

Yeah. Who's Oscar and who is he fucking and why do I care?
Nice to see how you factory chickens do your very best to go extinct.

Listen, chumps. 5G is 30 times as forceful radiation as 4G. It is able to instant-kill birds in the vicinity. Its is 100% guaranteed to ruin peoples immune systems. Weeks upon its release we get this "virus". It just means people are dying from not having an immune system.

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:49 pm

I know I know.

It wasn't in the Daily Telegraph or the Washington Post and my neighbour doesn't seem to know it.

All papers are full of the virus. But there are zero technical facts in all of the coverage. Did you ever notice that?
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