4 am philosophy

how come that the greatest insights comes to you at this late hour?

my current theory is that after being awake for so many odd hours your brain is finally functioning at full capacity and the last few hours with no human contact lets in mellow out and settle into its own rythm, thus making the simplest and most brilliant thoughts appear. pity there is no one around to discuss anything at this late hour…

any toughts?

I agree completrly.

Though I had never considered it quite like that before.

For me it’s in the shower or while in the car.

im waiting for my 4 hr late freind, i feel like im waiting for my 7 hr 4th grade freinds mom to pick me up and take us to the waterslides. infinitely waiting is no way to live. elementry is nice because its like the classroom is outside of time. your not waiting for it to be over, and your not waiting for it to happen. unless there is an assembly.

do you mean elementary like in elementary school?

unregardless (what the hell does that word mean anyway?), i would say that indefinetly waiting could be a way to live as long as your sure that you are on the brink of getting what you want, or would that only be a temporary pleasure? eventually you would think that you would get tired of it, but the time spent wating makes you crave whatever you want more and more, would there be an end to it where its not possible to want anyting more?

for example two months ago i decided to get a car and i started looking through the ads, found a couple of lemons and the search strechted out for weeks. during this period however i really got my act toghether, i stopped smoking marijuana and started working hard in school, for the sake of the car. but then after a couple of weeks i grew tired of waiting and just bought the next car that came along. as soon as i got it i lost all motivation to work in school again and i smoked some more.

now if i had kept that balance of working in order to get something could it have kept on going? i cracked and got what i wanted, but what if i hadnt?

thanks for reading my post, its like i exist again. yes i was talking about elementry school. my freind never came. and i thought he would. so in that sense, no , i was infinitely bitched. a couple of weeks ago i borrowed a different freind all of my c.d.s and my mp3 player, so he could hook me up phat. i thought it would be a couple of days, its been like 2 weeks, and l 3 days ago he found out it wont work on his computer either, im not mad at him, but i keep telling myself o.k. today is the day you will get your music back, and being sure, and then it doesnt happen, and i get sick off radio. however today is the day im getting them back, im going to get high( again( and listen to bjork. sometimes i wonder what if i would have went to a private school in england, i would have fallen in love. i would have been at the park.

kinky–out of curiosity, was your great (late) insite- spelling forrum with a 4 ? howcome my best interpretations of others great insights, comes to me when i am dope? sk8 er grl x0x0x0x0x0

both your posts seems confused and i dont know excatly what to respond to?

I never have any great insights when it comes to Philosophy! :angry:

I know this sounds gross and stupid, but I think good ideas are like vomit. They are the stuff the mind just can’t digest and pass, so it comes up again.

At 4am the mind is maybe not at it’s clearest, it’s exhasted and things that might otherwise be dealt with easily by the mind get hung-up on.

Also, when we sleep on an idea, or briefly forget it and then comeback to it, sometimes a good answer comes along. By 4am the mind is half asleep, and by the end of the day can reflect on things with greater detachment.

I forget the word: “hypnogogic” maybe, anyway, that’s supposed to mean dream-ish, the dream-ish mind can be rather pereptive, when one is half asleep the mind is more fluid or lucid. Personally, it’s always as I’m just falling asleep that something hits me, sets my heart racing and then I can’t sleep until dawn. The usual ego defenses become weakend and the brute truth bursts through.

Also good ideas come from excess of novel experience. Descartes locked himself in that house, and he’s not the only philosopher to use that method. But interacting with messed up things can cause a profusion of ideas too. Like how Luther kept vexing his head on birth-defects.

there was a heat wave in london “i spent it pretty much in a windowless, airless concreate box, up against the wall, with my headphones on, dreaming of the outside world, that might have inspired certain songs to come about.”-----stuart murdoch of “belle and sebastian” iv noticed that when i was isolated from my freinds, i thought i was smarter, because there was no one mis interpreting my thoughts. or saying “what the fuck are you talking about, math is real” . because i thought i was smarter i was. im going to get a job, payback debt, save some money, quit my job, let my parents still think i have the job, then have the entire summer. girls, i live with my parents, but i can see trees all at once, lets fall in love. --i will say.

close-minded,eh?

Nope, just not brilliant, obviously. :slight_smile:

now this is sounding like self-hate.
please don’t be so negative about yourself.

Not self hate. Perhaps I have a different definition of what an insight is. Surely we mean something beyond mere understanding - a sort of hidden intuitive realisation of a truth that others might not have picked up on. It implies new ground, a sort of ‘coming up with ones own philosophy’. Well, Im just not good enough to do that.

Realism != self hate :slight_smile:

Define reality.
how did you Come to your Conclusion?
do you like your answer?
why are you still supporting Realism?
you should ask and answer yourself more often.

Reality and realism are not the same thing. :slight_smile: I’ll abstain from the amateur metaphysics today but thank you for the kind offer.

My most profound thoughts are also in the shower. I find “lightbulb ideas” at 4AM the most bizarre and irrational. Of course, it is the only time a day when I actually think that I could become the queen of a small country if I try really hard, or do reckless online trading under my down comforter with a laptop. Impulsive ILP posts can also be an issue at the witching hour. Sleep is safer for me. :confused:

i tried walking into a mirror. oops, wrong thread .

Im not sure if my ideas at the early hours in the morning are exceptional ideas because Im the only one there to know them. I do hallucinate often with very little sleep at early hours in the morning, which leads to very intense thinking. I will admit that at the moment, I do think they are the best of the ideas.