5/5 timing..."it doesn't exist"...wait...or does it?

Oh…and one last thing…actually looking at things…you don’t even need new notes (eventhough I like Yorick’s notes for clarity’s sake).

Here’s why…

If you write 5/5, then the only mental things that shift are the following:
A whole note now equals 5 “quarter” notes instead of 4.
A half note now equals 2 “quarter” notes and an “eighth” note.
Whatever tempo is listed, it’s actually played roughly 31% faster.

Everything else stays the same.
Why?

Because you are playing 31% faster, which automatically causes the 5th to take place.

When you see, 4/5 as the timing signature, you know that instead of 76bpm listed, you play this at 100bpm and hold the whole notes for 5 quarters and the half for 2 quarters and an eighth.
Which means when you write down a whole note, it will carry for one and a quarter measure.
When you write a half note it will carry for 2 quarters and an eighth of the measure.

So you can’t place a half note and two quarters in 4/5 timing.
You can place a half note, a quarter note, and an eighth note and keep in mind that it will travel at 100bpm instead of 76bpm.

It’s all so terribly simple when looked at this way.

And it doesn’t take any funky conversion for every note in the system…only the whole, the half, and the tempo.

Man…this is better than I had expected!

(edit…now the only thing that’s needed is a notation like a dot, but that represents a quarter of a note’s value added to the notes value…otherwise you end up writing whole+quarter with a tie, and half note + eighth with a tie…unfortunately, there isn’t a notation for doing this…yet)

(edit#2…staccato a dot but not the note? lol…boy…I’m sure that would confuse the heck of people, lol)

Here’s my solution…

Leaving notes just as they are (including half equaling two beats and whole equaling 4)
Adding one simple little concept into music…one quarter value extension…instead of half value extension.
one quarter extension addition.jpg
Mix this with what we know about tempo already, and we can write things in 5/5 just fine by using just regular old X/4 formats.

We can trick the system.
We just keep in mind that if we want someone to play 76bpm 2/5, 3/5, 4/5, or 5/5 then we need to switch our tempo up to 100bpm and write with the additional options of the new one quarter value extension slash mark.

Same goes for 5/4.
We can make it 5/4 and just make our tempo 31% faster, than it would be in 5/4 “normally” and then make our slashes to make whole notes hold for a full measure, and half notes hold for half of the measure.

Also fun though, is that we can now mix things up a bit by having a hold of 1/2 followed by 5/8, and followed by 1/8 all in one measure…

Who cares where the measure bars fall…honestly…in some cases, carry’s will happen, but that’s normal for music anyways…so this is a win/win in my mind.

No?

Win/win indeed! There’s no need to change the system entirely. The notation is just for communicating what you have in your head anyway. Your new quarter-length-addition-symbol augments the system enough.

The problem still is learning to play these notes.

One slash is enough for what you need but you can do all kinds of things with this:
o/ (full note with one quarter added 4/4+1/4) =5/4
o// (full note with one quarter and one quarter of one quarter added 4/4+1/4+1/16) =1 5/16
o///(full note with one quarter and one quarter of one quarter and one quarter of one quarter of one quarter added 4/4+1/4+1/16+1/64) =1 21/64

further experimentation:
o///.=1 127/128
o././=3 33/64
Interestingly, o./=o/.
o./ (4/4+1/2)(5/4)= 1 7/8
o/. (4/4+1/4)
(3/2)= 1 7/8

That’s like the black whole of music, lol…endlessly nightmarish!

Great work expanding on the idea there!

You are both quite insane, you know.

:banana-dance:

I have at this point, plastered this concept up on a google site.

sites.google.com/site/55timing/home

Yorick, if you are still around at some point, I have a special thanks to you for all of your help in this project.
I’m also, at some point, going to place your notation system up as an alternative method of notating X/5 timing as I think it’s a fantastic approach if someone doesn’t mind completely learning a new notation system outright.

But I would rather wait until I have your consent to do that.