666 -- Sorry Wrong Number; Please Try Again

From the Independent:

"Revelation! 666 is not the number of the beast (it’s a devilish 616) By Tom Anderson – 01 May 2005

A newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament indicates that, as far as the Antichrist goes, theologians, scholars, heavy metal groups, and television evangelists have got the wrong number. Instead of 666, it’s actually the far less ominous 616.

The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing.

Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. He said: “This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people’s names. Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula.”

The Book of Revelation is traditionally considered to be written by John, a disciple of Jesus; it identifies 666 as the mark of the Antichrist. In America, the fundamentalist Christian right often use the number in sermons about the coming Apocalypse.

They and satanists responded coolly to the new “Revelation”. Peter Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, based in New York, said: “By using 666 we’re using something that the Christians fear. Mind you, if they do switch to 616 being the number of the beast then we’ll start using that.”

All this is proof positive of one thing - the goyim have never been able to gematria properly."

Poor Dr Satanical… it will cost him a fortune to update his stationary. :evilfun: :evilfun: :evilfun:

I call bullshit.
The number, 666 is from the christian bible and is an element of christian trappings. I have never seen a real Satanist (nor will you) use that number anywhere but mathematics and when discussing christian mythology.
I highly doubt HP Gilmore ever said anything of the sort.

But as for whether those silly christians will change their PO# for the appocalypse, who cares?
The number originally reffered to ceaser nero anyway, and that story is long since played out.

You question your higher authorities?.. your masters? the very people who tell what to think and how to think?

Jesus must be in you… may Satan save your poor awakening soul…

We shall curse for you… :evilfun:

Not only did you not understand what I said, you at the same time managed to make one of the most willfully ignorant statements I’ve ever had the pleasure of laughing at on ILP.
Good work.

Well, it was on the news a month ago and then in a couple of papers since then. His Right Royal Behindness HP Gilmore has had about a month to issue a statement saying he said no such thing, but I haven’t seen it. So, unless you can find something that disowns the above remark I think you should write me a letter of apology and ask for my forgiveness. :unamused:

Eagerly Awaiting your Reply
Insincerely Yours
km2_33

And I’m supposed to take your word for it?
snicker

You can’t backtrack your way out of this.
You clearly insinuated I was disagreeing with something he said, which I didn’t, I was merely questioning the veracity of your statement.
Which I still am.
Just because you read something in the national enquirer doesn’t make it fact.
Assuming of course you haven’t just pulled this ‘fact’ out of your ass, which seems likely.

I don’t know what’s happening in your head doc. But its really quite simple. Lets start again:

I saw something on TV about this 666 issue AND this story was in several papers – all of which quoted HPG.
I posted one article – and you said:

If HPG did say what was reported, and you disagree – I am correct: you do “question your higher authorities… your masters? the very people who tell what to think and how to think"
If HPG did not say what was reported – which so far there is only your word (???), then YOU are correct.

Are you still with me?

I am merely asking you to back your OPINION up with a few facts. I shouldn’t be difficult. HPG should have come out by now (its almost been a month ) and objected.
You said you don’t trust what’s written in the papers and you don’t trust my story about seeing it elsewhere, yet you demand we trust your unsubstantiated OPINION? How does that work?

I put forward the few facts I had. Now it’s your turn.

No, not with you.
The bus to lala-land was full.

First: You still don 't get it. Nothing was ever said about my agreeance/disagreeance with the statement made if it did in fact ocur, only my extreme doubt anything of the sort was ever said.

Second: Do you often ask people to prove negatives? Will you next ask me to prove the nonexistance of God?
You are making a claim, not me, I am merely calling you on it.

Third: if you had provided facts the conversation would be concluded. You have provided only heresay.

On another issue, your attempts to distort the facts is making this simple request extremely tedious. Is this the sort of facts we can expect from you?

Who said anything about the National Enquirer? I specifically said the story came from The Independent. Apparently, only YOU are allowed to distort the facts as well, so now we have:
a) your uncooberated OPINION is more worthy that what’s published in a prestigious new paper and
b) You can blatantly distort what I said and its acceptable?

I’m not going to carry this thread much further if this is the standard of the discussion I can expect. I enjoy intelligent conversations with reasonable people but so far its simply opiinions, distortions and lies. I hope it changes in the next post or so.

By the way, here’s the source (So far I’m the only one supplying facts and evidence?):
news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_b … ory=634679

Pardon the intrusion, KM, but you’ve gotta love the irony in this thread, no? And it’s doubly ironic if you check out my last post in Psychology [Mental Disorders]… :sunglasses:

What?
What kind of drugs are you on, anyway.
In reality, what it’s ‘been’ so far is me calling you on a claim you made.

My opinion? You are a real peice of work. While it is my opinion that you are full of shit, that is not the issue. You are making a claim, I am calling you on it. That is the issue.
How could I have distorted facts? You haven’t presented any!
And I am pretty sure your definition of ‘prestigious’ differs wildly from my own, if you consider some small time internet rag prestigious

Ok, this has passed into the realm of mindless amusement. You obviously are out of touch with reality.
Opinions, distortions, and lies?
Huh? LOL!
Such as?

What evidence exactly am I suposed to provide, being as it is I have made no claims?

Ya, as if.
The fact that the only ‘source’ on this is one single website that doesn’t offer it’s articles publicly lends even more credibility to my doubt.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: hehehe

Don’t get me wrong psyque, I love a bit of a stouch… but only up to a point – and that’s the point: it has to stop before it gets out of hand.

A page or two at the most and if there’s no break in the deadlock… I’m outta there. Additionally, I am pretty sure any animosity generated here will stay in this thread. Sure, we’ll have other arguments, but I hope they will start fresh…?

A good argument for me, is one which goes somewhere – even backward. A bad arguement is one which goes 'round and 'round, deeper and deeper into two increasingly separate and private (mental) worlds.

Besides, I’m slaughtering this poor guy… I feel like the proverbial heroe slaughtering a weak and wounded dragon… :evilfun:

Its amazing how ones emotions (and personal insults) increase in proportion to the decrease in intelligence and reason.

[size=167]CONGRATULATIONS KM2_33
DRAGON DEAD: GAME OVER[/size]

[size=150]WOULD YOU LIKE ANOTHER GAME?[/size]

No thanks maybe later.

(I have to amuse myself somehow since the entertainment values has plummeted… it could have been so good too? :cry:)

The Independent is one of the UKs top 4 selling daily broadsheets.

Ok KM, go ahead and take your ball and go home, maybe nobody will notice the tears…
I should try your method of debate. Make things up until I get bored then declare myself the winner.

I hear ya, KM. And thanks to your post to me (and a few others’…THANKS TAB and others!), I am learning to just “let it go” and not get embroiled in endless debates when the other person proves that s/he is going to distort facts incessantly. Doesn’t mean I won’t still take a few fun/petty jabs while writing for “the greater good,” but I think your approach is the best way to maintain one’s sanity around here…