let us look at our modern age with fresh eyes
and in terms of philosophy…
The crisis of our age is driven by philosophical concerns,
not historical nor economic, but basic concerns that fall into
philosophy…
One of the crisis areas in modern times is this lack of a goal
or purpose…
We think in terms of stagnation instead of movement…
We are suffering from a malaise because we have no sense of
of who we are… what does it mean to be human?
We are in dire need of new thinking, new ism’s, new ideologies…
As far as our isms go, we are at the end of the age, not the
beginning nor the middle, but we stand exactly where Rome stood
once the failures of the several thousand-year-old isms carried over
from Egypt and the Middle East began…
that much of our current failures lies in our having belief
in those isms instead of overcoming those isms and creating isms
that actually mirror our current age…
that part of our age failures lie in our desperately holding onto
onto isms that have clearly failed… conservatism is, in part,
part of why we are in crisis… holding onto tradition isn’t
going to solve this current crisis…
that our holding onto the trinkets of existence has created
a clear and present danger to us and our future…
We will begin with these 9 propositions and go from there…
let us look at our modern age with fresh eyes
and in terms of philosophy…
The crisis of our age is driven by philosophical concerns,
not historical nor economic, but basic concerns that fall into
philosophy…
K: That this is an age of crisis is hard to dispute…but as noted,
I hold that part of the reason we are in crisis, is that we have failed
to hold ourselves to philosophy…if the failure of the age lies in
the failure of our isms, then we have to understand those
isms and then work to create new isms… and that creation of
new isms is the work of philosophy… what it means to be human,
is a question of past, present and future… We have become far
too static in our thinking… instead of dynamic thinking, engaging
in the future, we remain static by trying to use the past as our
guide… the past has already failed, that is why we are in the
crisis that we are… the past isms have failed, from theology,
to philosophy to religion… there is no absolute ism from the
past that can guide us into the future… we must create our isms
and ideologies anew to match our current environment…
a new age requires new isms and ideologies… and we are most
certainly in a new age…
and until we acknowledge that fact, we cannot move forward into
the future…
Peter Kropotkin:
One of the crisis areas in modern times is this lack of a goal
or purpose…
K: what is the point of existence? Most thinking on this revolves
around this idea of the trinkets of existence… in which we
pursue woefully inadequate trinkets of existence…
Trinkets like wealth, fame, titles, power and material goods/possessions…
that these false idols are the driving point of our modern age,
can’t be denied… but in pursuing them, money for example,
in the pursuit of money, that is all one gets in return…the pursuit
of money can only get more money, nothing else… it is an empty
pursuit because it can only lead one to money, which is just
pieces of paper… that only has value because we have decided
that green pieces of paper have some value… but beyond that,
how does green pieces of paper have value? it doesn’t…
or the pursuit of fame… can you get anything out of fame, beyond
fame or money? empty promises at best…
What should we be seeking if not the trinkets of existence?
and that is the question we should be asking ourselves…
if the goal/purpose of existence is not the trinkets of existence,
money, fame, titles, power and material possessions, then what
should be the goal/purpose of existence? have you ever asked
yourself, what is outside of, or beyond the mere search for
wealth, power, fame, titles and materialism? What should we
be seeking, pursuing instead of the trinkets of existence?
We think in terms of stagnation instead of movement…
K: That we are tied to the past instead of engaging in what is to be,
that is stagnation… the way forward is the way forward, not slavish
devotion to the past and its isms and ideologies…
We are devoted to what worked once, instead of thinking what
is the way forward… the past as guide is a failure because we
are no longer in that time where past ideas is going to work today…
the past, where once people devoted their lives to being saved,
is not what is needed today… to fully reject this idea that the
point of existence is salvation… to be saved as an ideal is
a failed proposition… has it made the world better? has it even
made people better? has the idea of salvation, in any way, shape
or form, make people any better? if an idea no longer works,
it must be dumped… it’s that simple…
and our modern world has entire isms that no longer work,
and thus they must be rejected and replaced… what have you done
to replace those old, failed isms of yesteryear?
We are suffering from a malaise because we have no sense of
of who we are… what does it mean to be human?
K: do you have any sense of what it means to be human?
What is the point and goal of being human? Why were we born?
Where are we going to, as human beings? we have no sense of
past, present and future in our thinking about being human…
for most people, they think, I am to pursue the trinkets of existence…
but they have no sense of why or what is the point of pursuing
these trinkets of existence… is that the point of being human?
to seek out and pursue failed trinkets of existence?
why pursue the trinkets of existence over other values?
We are in dire need of new thinking, new ism’s, new ideologies…
K: the world is in crisis… that much cannot be denied, but
one should/must be asking as to why? Why is the world in crisis
today? I would say its because we are attempting to exist and
live in the 21st century with values and isms from centuries ago…
to live in the 21st century requires us to have 21st century
values and beliefs, not values from sheepherders over 2,000
years ago…the questions they faced are vastly different than
the questions we face and thus require far different answers…
or the values that made sense centuries ago like in
capitalism and communism… the values that worked for my parents
and grandparents are not going to work for me because I exists in
a far different time… the values that worked for my great-grandfather,
who fought in the Civil War, will not work for me today… (I am just
4 generations removed from the American Civil War) and yet the world
today is vastly different than the one my great-grandfather fought in…
So, what values should we be engaged with if not the values
of my Grandfather or great-Grandfather? That is the question…
do you have any sense of the answers?
Sort of. You could argue that global warming is caused by poor emphasis on science and sustainability.
Yes it is one of the crises but not the only one.
Not sure what this means. Many people are tech oriented and wish for progress.
Correct.
I would say the biggest causes of this would be: work and hypergamy.
People either work a soulless, boring job and/or are chasing women unrequited.
Then there always be some asshole who has a great job and a great wife telling you how great life is and that I’m wrong.
yes
yes
yes and no. Conservatism is also the only thing holding society together.
Also you have to consider that we are still in the Crusades. Its not merely right vs. left anymore. The left are so woke they want to import conservative right-wing muslims to change the native culture.
Don’t know what this means. But indeed there is a lot of ewaste and plastic waste, people need to make higher products of quality, less trinkets.
Peter Kropotkin:
As far as our isms go, we are at the end of the age, not the
beginning nor the middle, but we stand exactly where Rome stood
once the failures of the several thousand-year-old isms carried over
from Egypt and the Middle East began…
K: today, we see Rome as the beginning, but in reality, it
was the end of several thousand years of isms and values that
begin with Egypt and the Sumerians, Akkadians, Babylonians,
and Assyrians, to name a few places that began the values that
came to an end in the time of Rome… and the creation of values
that were common in Rome, Christianity for example,
no longer work for us… the proof lies in our crises of
values and beliefs that no longer work for us…
When Nietzsche proclaimed that '‘god was dead"" he really meant
that the age of religion has ended… it is time for new values
and beliefs… we hold to secular values today because that is
what this age needs and requires… a new environment requires
new values and beliefs… we cannot pour ‘’‘old values into
new skins’’ and hope for success…
that is no different than an adult using baby values as an adult…
it simply won’t work… we must have values that make
sense our current situation… values like religion, nationalism,
white is right, racism, intolerance no longer work… want proof,
just look around you… we are in crisis because we are holding onto
values and beliefs that no longer have any relevance to us today…
a new environment requires new values… and where are we going
to find those new values that is going to match our new environment?
that much of our current failures lies in our having belief
in those isms instead of overcoming those isms and creating isms
that actually mirror our current age…
K: Part of the problem lies in that we haven’t yet seen the how much
in crisis we really are, but that is just ignoring the history of the last
126 years… We have had 2 World Wars, the Great Depression,
the Holocaust, a cold war that lasted for almost 50 years, 47 years to be exact,
in American we had both Kent State and the My Lai massacre,
and even within the last 10 years, an economic collapse that
wasn’t too far from the depression, an racial disturbance that
was equal to the civil rights battles of the 1960’s… BLM for example,
and todays GOP/MAGA drive for an American dictatorship… those
are all signs of the American crisis which is simply America being
ahead of the world… just as California is usually the state that
begins the trends and fashion in America and later the world…
All of these examples are examples of the modern day crisis from
which we have to find solutions or face possible extinction…
We know the world is in crisis because the last 126 years has
been a world in crisis, we have the events to show this…
when will you wake up and see history for what it is…
a world in crisis…
that our holding onto the trinkets of existence has created
a clear and present danger to us and our future…
K: part of our modern crisis is that we seem to be picking
up danger signs that aren’t really a danger to us…
an example of this is the ongoing claim to the ‘‘Jews’’
being in charge… or the bogus claim that somehow
the white are being driven in exstinction… even if it were true,
why would that even matter? Holding onto race as being the
central claim to be human is a dangerous and false one…
we are not our race, nor are we our nation or our religion,
we are human beings… and that race, nation, religion
are irrelevant to this notion of being human…
that our isms and ideologies prevent us from seeing the
reality of existence… that race, color of the skin, our
national identity, or our sexual orientation has anything
to do with being human… it doesn’t…
being human, apart from race, skin color,
religion, nation, or our sexual identities…
for those attributes are not what makes us human…
they are part and parcel, but not the whole identity of being
human… I am not defined as being human by my race or
skin color or sexual identity or the place of my birth… my identity
of being human is not tied into these accidental aspects of my birth…
and until we rise above these accidental aspects of existence,
we will remain in crisis… until we proclaim all people, regardless
of their race, skin color, religion, or sexual identity, as human,
we will not and cannot begin the journey to becoming truly human…
you expose your true colors.. that you do not even care about white extinction, “why would it even matter?”
Exposed!
As for the Jews… juries still out. I think its more of a ‘semite’ conspiracy. International capitalists, not just jews, muslims. Think about it. How do muslim immigrants benefit jews? They don’t! More like its being pushed not only by jews, but by Muslim influence. The Crusades were never over, they are still here, today.
Now as for white extinction, which you claim to not care about, surely you have at least some love for the white race? If it wasn’t for American whites, we’d all be living under English tyranny, and the whole world would still be under the rule of Kings. I thought you believed in “No More Kings”???
That and science, whites have pushed forward science and tech. You think that if whites were gone tomorrow there wouldn’t be drastic negative consequences for civilization, for freedom, for science and tech? Whites are the only reason there is any freedom in the civilized world. Whites are the only reason you can post your Liberal opinions without being censored.
So bullying Peter Kropotkin now. You can dish it out but you can’t take it. Tsk tsk.
K: Bully me? Hardly… I am mentally tougher than virtually everyone
here… and frankly, I really, really don’t care in the least what anyone
including Future has to say about me or my values…
because it has nothing to do with me or my values…
Goethe once wrote, ‘‘I love you… but that has nothing at all to do
with you’’ and what she/he wrote really has nothing to do with me…
because they are still engaged in their own values, not mine…
I am just a convenient place to comment about values,
and that has nothing to do with me…
Good grief. You can REALLY tell that this is an American forum for fuck sake.
K: I am not interested in so called, American values or white values
or Christian values or sexual values/identity or male values…
Those are the accidental aspect of being human…
the vast majority of so called ‘‘American values’’ are
of no interest to me… in fact, I have rejected them as
not being inclusive enough… my values are not about
being an American or white or male, as I am all three,
no, my values are about being human and what does it
take to have ‘‘Human values’’…
What does it mean to be human? that is my exploration,
it is the human condition that I seek out, not the American
condition or the white condition or the sexual identity condition,
I am uninterested in those aspects… what does it mean to be
human? that is my question…