Hi, I’m brand new to this forum. this is my first post I have red horns a devil tail and I ordered an ark - you guessed it, i’m the duality of good and evil combined
questions on the afterlife have always been an interest. I have a few I want you to answer honestly. if you do NOT believe in an afterlife plz say why. if you do, do all you can to convince the room its real (and if its nature makes it ‘unreal’ - say so).
And there’s more than one question -
do you believe in the afterlife, or do you believe its just nothingness or null?
is the soul null? or is the soul something? Does the soul need to be ‘something’ to exist? Can null exist? or, can null exist in its own nature even if its nature is ‘not existing’?
how ‘reduced’ is our existence once we lose body and mind - is our soul reduced and since we lose everything when we die - is there a force or limit preventing null? Such as the energy/mass that remains?
What exactly is death… The end of ‘our’ body and ‘our’ mind. Can it go to the extreme of 0 mind? or does universal consciousness prevent 0 mind? and does 0 mind equal 0 needs and wants for eternity? So I would want in-the-zero to be something else - or greater for eternity?
Please address all of these questions individually. Thank you. (any fresh perspective or even new questions added is greatly appreciated.
ok, maybe that was too many questions. If you’ll just focus on this one:
Do you believe in an afterlife, or is it just nothingness or null?
the following is an incomplete and ambiguous idea - i think it can actually make sense with enough rigor:
I have a strong feeling we are null at death because 0 chaos is the condition for null state. There is NO mind to have mental chaos so there is 0 actual mental chaos as all mind goes to 0 chaos… As entropy and mental chaos goes to 0 there is no possibility for ‘something’ to be conceived, it is therefore null state.
Yes, and the soul is a social construct. The same the self is a social construct. They exist in a certain sense, but not in a physical one. Like language too. If there are no people, there is no communication between them. etc. if there is no person, or they are dead, then there is no self or soul anymore.
You’ve answered your own question.
yup, it’s that simple.
bane, I am NOT very knowledgeable with philosophy as a whole. i said that - you sound like you can talk circles around me. So, I’ll ask you this. Is death a totality? is there an incompletion that makes death sufferable? (thats almost a common sense NO but as should us already being in heaven a common sense YES) My whole point, there can be no piont you get ‘fed’ up as a dead being - becasue you have no construct as a point of reference. There is no body/mind connection. There is 0 mind and if you have an existence it might be the universal consciousness … all that we know for sure is you lose your body/mind. and take on a different body or formation.
I didn’t tell you anything you didn’t already know. I haven’t said anything insightful, so please don’t point that out. I just want to know if death is a totality?
No need to say that. I’m sure you can talk circles around me on many subjects. I’m by far one of the ‘less read’ and least intelligent yahoos on this website.
Uhhhh… we die…? I don’t quite understand what you are getting at.
It is important to see the human body and mind as one.
This position is called Monism. “There is one substance to the universe”
It causes all number of problems to posit mind as an immaterial thing.
Or to posit any sort of immaterial substance for that matter. (God, supernatural, spirits, etc.) Cartesian Dualism (positing that there is the physical and there also is ‘something else’) is at the heart of many of the problems in philosophy of mind.
Monism = ‘One-ism’
Dualism = ‘Two-ism’
As far as I’m concerned, I’m a Materialist/Monist.
Our ideas of self, soul, ego, etc. are attached to a physical being.
When that physical being dies, decomposes, etc. there simply is no more, self, soul, ego, body, mind, etc.
I’m sure you have plenty to teach me and plenty of unique insight.
Can you describe more what you mean when you say ‘totality’?
the definition of totality, is total. So is there a total in death? regardless of whether it’s total is ‘something’ or not - If the summation of an existence was anything ‘more’ than nothingness it would make it ‘something’- is the total of death only nothingness? Or does the total of death include ‘something’?
Q: Would the ‘nothingness’ only be a state or condition as it has nothing to do with the universe - or absolute nothingness?
I already know your answer to that question as you told me your view. I did my best to make sense - I’m VERY new to analysis.
You will get your answer if only you would visit a brain damaged ward in any major hospital. Where a person that’s got serious brain damage is just like a vegetable. Destroy the brain, you destroy the mind or conciousness, which is claimed to be the soul. No body, no existence. That’s the facts of life. In all human existence, there has never being any evidence for the survival of any part of the personality or any entity of human consciousness surviving death.
Bane, total is very difficult to determine for death. But, I’ll define it with an Absolute. In the case of life we are either 100% alive or in the case of death we are 100% dead (absolute definition 1/0) and there are also various states such as subconscious or coma (however, the subconscious and coma imply life). So, as far as I’m concerned when you die you are 100% dead (0 activity in the mind) It’s either you are alive or you are not (absolute definition 1/0)
Being immortal has nothing to do with being alive. It has to do with existing for eternity, which is bound to happen anyways.
bane, whether you want to call it: null state, absolute nonexistence, or even a ‘state’ of reduced existence (no body and mind)… whatever one is right must exist in order to be true. so therefore, nothingness can exist - nonexistence can exist. Just, it might not ‘exist’ in its own nature and in its own way.
I agree. it depends on what you mean by ‘dead’. A heart stops beating at one point in time. Consciousness may cease at another point, either before (in a coma) or in a minute or two after the heart stops. The body takes a while to decay to complete dust. With regards to death, it simply matters how you are defining death. You’re worrying too much about semantics and not your actual question. Though perhaps your question is getting at exactly that, you’re seeking to define ‘death’, ‘null’, ‘existence’, etc. Stop making it so hard on yourself.
I have red horns a devil tail and I ordered an ark - you guessed it, i’m the duality of good and evil combined 
