# A Brief History of Disbelief
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815
**Category:** Religion and Spirituality
**Created:** [September 24, 2007, 4:05am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815 "2007-09-24T04:05:42Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@Bane](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Bane)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/21 "2007-09-24T21:24:30Z")
Here’s a seventh post in a row just for good measure…
Sorry guys! I’ll try to stop doing that crap. 😕
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### Author:  [@Jakob](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Jakob)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2007, 12:31pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/22 "2007-09-25T12:31:52Z")
WTF??? Why are my posts erased constantly int he religion forum?
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### Author:  [@Xunzian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Xunzian)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2007, 1:43pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/23 "2007-09-25T13:43:47Z")
Are you sure you are posting them correctly?
I’m not joking, sometimes my internet connection has been very slow and I’ve closed the page before my post gets sent – especially with larger and/or picture containing posts.
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### Author:  [@felix\_dakat](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/felix_dakat)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/24 "2007-09-25T17:26:53Z")
> [@Bane](#):
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> > > Nietzsche said “God is dead.” I say He’s just outdated…
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> > God says Nietzsche is dead. Who ya gonna believe?
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> When did God say that? I haven’t heard him say anything. In fact, the truth is that NO ONE has ever heard him say anything! 🕶
For this people’s ears are dull of hearing… But blessed are your ears, if they hear.
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### Author:  [@d0rkyd00d](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/d0rkyd00d)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/25 "2007-09-25T19:12:38Z")
> [@felix dakat](#):
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> > [@Bane](#):
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> > > > [@Mental\_Edge](#):
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> > > > Nietzsche said “God is dead.” I say He’s just outdated…
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> > > God says Nietzsche is dead. Who ya gonna believe?
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> > When did God say that? I haven’t heard him say anything. In fact, the truth is that NO ONE has ever heard him say anything! 🕶
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> For this people’s ears are dull of hearing… But blessed are your ears, if they hear.
I heard a voice inside my head once. I named it Jesus.
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### Author:  [@Bane](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Bane)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/26 "2007-09-25T22:22:40Z")
> [@felix dakat](#):
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> blessed are your ears, if they hear.
Did God choose to give those with ears to hear and give some ears that could not? Or is man the measure of all things, and HE himself chooses to hear or not? It is one way or the other.
Check this out… I’ve only recently begun to understand the implications of this thought and line of reason…
1. If God preordained all, if God chose all that was going to happen, predestination, etc. then he is unjust or cruel etc. You cannot deny he created evil.
2. If God truly gave us freewill, then WE are the measure of good and bad. We don’t murder because it is wrong, not because God says it’s wrong. If we are free, then God is not… and there is no God.
Do you see that things are one way or the other. Either we are free or God is free. Both points 1 and 2 are terrific reasons to doubt the existence of God.
I’ve obviously butchered the two points, but maybe some will understand. The videos links above have an excellent section on this. It very much concerns morals: Either God established everything and is unjust (thus doesn’t exist), or man established everything and there is no God. It is brilliant and very solid… if one gives it time to sink in.
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### Author:  [@Bane](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Bane)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/27 "2007-09-25T22:40:11Z")
> [@my real name](#):
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> > > As usual, Earl Russell is wrong. Logic is integral to the Christian religion.
> > > “Be ye wise as serpents and as guileless as doves.”
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> > I wasn’t sure if you were joking or not, but I assumed you were. Now I’m starting to think you’re not. Logic integral to the Christian religion? I disagree.
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> “In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with God, and God was the logos.” – John 1
The God central to Christian religion is illogical…
Therefore logic is not integral to the Christian religion. 🕶
“In the end was a roll of dirty toilet paper, and the dirty toilet paper was with the Spaghetti Monster, and The Spaghetti Monster was the dirty toilet paper.” - Bane 1
This makes the same amount of sense as your quote. 😕
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### Author:  [@LukeRazor](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/LukeRazor)
#### Post date: [September 26, 2007, 6:47am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/a-brief-history-of-disbelief/17815/28 "2007-09-26T06:47:22Z")
> [@Bane](#):
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> > > “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature. It is the opium of the people. The demand to give up the illusion is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.” Karl Marx
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> > Communism needs some pretty big illusions itself, and cannot keep man from his sighing.
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> I agree. Back to the subject; Do you agree with Marx’s particular quote above?
I do agree with the sentiment that you have to “cure” religion from the cause. Religion is symptomatic of a human need, for comfort perhaps, or to answer the “big” questions with a positive answer. “Just because” or " we will never know" does seem to be intrisically rejected by many. Doesn’t mean that they are the wrong answers of course. 🙂
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