A choice must be made

It’s almost as if you were created without an anus, someone far above basic human-ness. You speak with such arrogance, and l’ve seen this argument posed before.

It’s not fitting that you decide that a prophet is “only a prophet”, as if it’s a downgrade, it’s very conceited.

It gets worse: Muslims can drag Christians down for turning an INFINITE GOD into a finite human being with an anus.

Do you even understand that worshipping someone that needed the toilet, means you worship ____ ____ ??? I’m not even going to write the expression, that’s how dreadful your beliefs are. Yet l am kind to Christians. I don’t call them Antichrists like you call other faiths. In fact, the Qur’an forbids us to insult you:

**006.108 Revile not those unto whom they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully **
**revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed **
seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do.

The NT states that the antichrist will rejectn Jesus Christ. Muslims accept Jesus as Christ (Christ = Messiah). If you actually loved Christ, you’d love those that love him.

If the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the antichrist, why did Jesus not say something specifically pointing him out???

The Virgin Mary is mentioned more in the Qur’an than the Bible. The Qur’an dedicates a chapter to her.

The Prophet Muhammad taught us that Lady Mary was one of the 4 Holy Women of Islam, may Allah be pleased with them all (alongside Ashiya the wife of the Pharaoh, who converted to Moses’ religion and was killed by the Pharaoh, and Lady Khadijah, the first wife of the Prophet and the first convert, and Lady Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet through Lady Khadijah)

The Prophet was forbidden to even pray for his own mother Lady Amina, even though he could pray for Lady Mary, that’s how powerful our attachment is to Mary. In fact l’d say Muslims are the True Christians :slight_smile: but we never look down on others whilst rejoicing in our own beliefs, that’s conceited in fact l tried to help you out, overlooking our doctrinal differences but you still called Muslims the antichrist anyway.

(though to be fair, Lady Amina is as dear to us as our own mothers, we’re just not allowed to pray for her because she died when the Prophet was an infant was thus not Muslim, but l honestly cannot think of heaven without the Prophet’s Mother - this touches on the predicament in the OP).

Are you seriously going to associate us with the Antichrist, whom no Prophet has given more warnings against than Muhammad? No other prophet has given more information about the Antichrist than Muhammad too e.g. we know which city he will live in when he declares himself to be ruler, and we know he will then call himself a new Prophet and then call himself God - which is what Paul conned the Christians into believing i.e. they’ll end up worshipping him, a man-god, as the second coming of Christ!

Jesus did not warn against Muhammad. BUT he did long for and foretell him. He said after him, Ahmad / the Praised / the Caller / Parakleitos would come, and sure enough, Muhammad (Arabic name) did arrive, having a name nobody ever used before.

^^^ Jesus says (the Helper) will come and reveal the truth about Allah

I’m aware of the claims that Jesus was educated in India and that he traveled there after the resurrection, but, the historical evidence is not convincing, but, I find the theology compatible. A church in India that traces its origin to Jesus’ disciple Thomas. Many of the sayings of Jesus in The Gospel of Thomas found in the Nag Hammadi library in Egypt in 1945 harmonizes well with Vedanta. To my mind Gnosis is synonymous with Jñāna which is first person knowledge of the Absolute.

I believe the connection is Sabianism, which via Syrian contacts, spread both east and west. wherever the Syrian world had long standing contacts with (as far as Mongolia, which traditionally used a Syriac script). I think Sabianism equates with Mandaeanism and Mandaeanism in turn relates to the teachings of John the Baptist aka Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him), l just don’t know how to formally join the different belief systems together into a timeline and naming system but the point is, you will find commonalities between Gnostics say in the Palestinian desert, and Buddhism in the Hindu Kush.

I wrote …I don’t think one should go beyond what is written. there is also this

KJV

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands

The idea that the “prophet” of Islam was at one time a “chosen” vessel, a “reformer,” or even a “true prophet” is Biblically unsupportable. The “prophet” of Islam early set himself on the opposite side of the Gospel.

After he was resurrected?

Not one of these (mostly vague, rambling) parameters for Antichrist applies to Muhammad:

Not one.

In fact The Prophet Muhammad specifically endorsed Jesus as The Christ ('Isa al Masih, Masih ibn Maryam). This is absolutely incompatible with the Antichrist as described in 1 John 2:22 and you are therefore objectively inarguably guilty of slander, and further: your bible warns that many / all Prophets were subjected to slanders - Mathew 5:12

As for the Ishmaelites, the Prophet Muhammad was descended from that line. The Bible says the lineage will be blessed: Genesis 17:20 - Bible Gateway

12 great princes could be 12 great imams, the 12th being the foretold Mahdi who will one day appear before the return of Christ.

Finally the Gospel of John is rife with Jesus promising that another would come after him, verifying the truth about him etc.

The Holy Spirit (peace be upon him) isn’t the comforter, the Holy Spirit was always there, before the world was even made probably.

You need to look up the Islamic prophecies about the Antichrist known as the Dajjal. Our Prophet taught us (in at least one account) that he’d have one good eye and be blind in the other eye “but your Lord is not One Eyed”- he told us that because the Dajjal will be a man, who claims to be God and will indeed have god-like powers, not trickery but real power like never seen before.

People like you will worship him - people that are in the market for worshipping a man that goes to the toilet. Please, see sense, and at least, please, refrain from calling decent people “Antichrist”. I honestly think your household, whom you have condemned to hell, are better than you, no Atheist ever called me Antichrist.

That’s the story. And it is said he is buried there.

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The Ahmadiyya sect of Islam believes that Jesus is buried in the Roza Bal shrine in Srinagar, Kashmir, India. However, this theory is not proven and is rejected by some.

Explanation

  • Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the Ahmadiyya movement, claimed in 1899 that the Roza Bal shrine was Jesus’ tomb.
  • Ahmad wrote about his theory in his book Masih Hindustan-mein (Jesus in India), which was published in Urdu in 1908 and in English in 1944.
  • Ahmad believed that Jesus survived crucifixion, traveled to India, and died a natural death in Kashmir at the age of 120.
  • The Ahmadis believe that Jesus migrated to India to escape persecution and spread his message to the Lost Tribes of Israel.
  • The local caretakers of the shrine reject the theory that Jesus is buried there. One caretaker said that the theory is blasphemous to Islam.

The Roza Bal shrine is located in the Khanyar quarter of downtown Srinagar. It’s a modest stone building with a traditional Kashmiri multi-tiered sloping roof.

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Please No White House Faith Office

Trump’s Dream team Paula White

Watch the video at 7.58

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg_0le6F3Ro]

Perfect example of Church and State. LOL

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A belief that Jesus survived the crucifixion and spent his remaining years in Kashmir has led to a run-down shrine in Srinagar making it firmly onto the must-visit-in India tourist trail.


Jesus is reputed to be buried in this run-down shrine in the Kashmir capital
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Officially, the tomb is the burial site of Youza Asaph, a medieval Muslim preacher - but a growing number of people believe that it is in fact the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.

They believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion almost 2,000 Easters ago, and went to live out his days in Kashmir.

“What else could they do? They had to close it,” Riaz told me.

His family home almost overlooks the shrine, and he is witheringly dismissive of the notion that Jesus was buried there.

"It’s a story spread by local shopkeepers, just because some crazy professor said it was Jesus’s tomb. They thought it would be good for business. Tourists would come, after all these years of violence.

"And then it got into the Lonely Planet, and too many people started coming.

Which prophet is buried in Kashmir?

In the North Kashmir district of Bandipora, a shrine complex of a woman saint named Hazrat Bibi Arifa, locally known as ‘Ded Mouj’, a section of Jews believe that the grave belongs to one of the most revered saints (mentioned in the Koran and Bible), Moses or Hazrat Musa.

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So it is either ‘Youza Asaph’ ‘Jesus himself’ or ‘Moses aka Hazrat Musa’.

Fable or fact… it looks like it may well be ‘fable’.

Those who see a spiritual connection between the wisdom of the East and West in the story of Jesus look for it in history, but evidence is sketchy at best.
Carl Jung hypothesized that the connection is in universal archetypes of the collective unconscious which bubble up in dreams and moments of creative inspiration.

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So the former, then… :laughing:
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I see no connection between the two religions either… one is more spiritual, the other more stoic. I grew up with both. :slightly_smiling_face:

Can you elaborate on what you mean by the difference between spiritual and stoic and how that unfolded in your experience growing up?

Edit: I don’t want to hijack this thread, l may start my own one about eschatology instead

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Edit: I don’t want to hijack this thread, l may start my own one about eschatology instead