A discussion on the limitations of human perception, the nature of reality, and the possibility of a higher understanding through science, philosophy, and spirituality.

Lately, I’ve been thinking a lot about how much we, as humans, can truly understand reality . Not just in terms of science, but on a deeper, almost metaphysical level. It feels like everything we experience is filtered through our senses, our brains, and the ways we’ve been taught to think. What if we’re only seeing a fraction of what actually exists?

Are We Stuck in a Constructed Reality?

Thinkers like Kant argued that we never actually perceive reality as it is—we only experience our own interpretation of it. Space, time, even causality might not exist the way we think they do, but rather as mental structures we impose on the world.

Then there’s Berkeley, who went even further, saying that material reality itself might not exist—only our perceptions of it. It makes me wonder: how much of what we take as “real” is actually just a human-made model ?

Even modern physics hints at something deeper. The holographic principle suggests that everything we see in three dimensions might just be encoded on a two-dimensional surface . If that’s true, are we actually experiencing reality at all?

God and the Limits of Human Understanding

Now, if God exists as an infinite, all-knowing being, that means our perception of the universe must be incomplete by default. Maybe our senses and thoughts aren’t designed to grasp the full picture.

Some religious and mystical traditions suggest that when we die, we’ll finally see everything as it truly is —beyond the limitations of human perception. NDE (near-death experience) accounts are interesting because they often describe a sudden, overwhelming sense of clarity, peace, and understanding . Could it be that our minds are built with filters, and only in death do those filters get removed?

Is Reality Like a Game?

One way I’ve started thinking about all this is by comparing the world to a game .

  • Objects in physics don’t just sit there—they have potential energy , like a game object waiting for an interaction
  • Gravity, motion, and even time follow structured, consistent rules , almost like a physics engine.
  • What if reality isn’t a random, chaotic mess but instead a deliberate system designed by something greater ?

That would explain why we feel limited—why things don’t always make sense—because we’re inside the system , not outside of it. We can learn the rules, but we can’t change them.

What Do You Think?

If we accept that our perception of reality is limited, then what does that mean for philosophy, science, and even spirituality? Are we meant to seek a deeper truth, even if we know we’ll never fully grasp it? And if so, is that search itself part of our purpose?

I’d love to hear different perspectives on this, whether from a materialist, existentialist, or purely scientific point of view. Where do you stand?

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How do we evaluate different subjective interpretations of reality?

By their effects when they are converted into actions.
In theory, they are all ‘perfect.’

Success & Failure, relative to an expected outcome (objective) is how we evaluate the QUALITY of a worldview.
In nature, such debates were superfluous, because death was the answer.
A wrong judgment was suffered by the mind that made it.

But, in human sheltered environments, we protect bad judgments, and delusional worldviews, allowing us to claim that there is no wrong judgment… or none that would cost us anything.
We can continue believing in whatever absurdity we desire, suffering minimal costs, and so we allow the delusion that they are all equal.

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I really appreciate your perspective. It’s a powerful reminder that the true measure of any belief or worldview isn’t how elegantly it’s formulated, but the tangible outcomes it produces when put into action. In the natural world, survival hinges on making the right choices—any miscalculation can have fatal consequences. Yet in our modern, often overly protected environments, we sometimes shield ourselves from the fallout of misguided ideas. This comfort can lull us into thinking that all beliefs are on equal footing, even when some lead us astray.

Your post challenges us to scrutinize our ideas more critically. It asks us to weigh our subjective interpretations by their real-world success rather than their theoretical perfection. It’s a call to break free from the illusion that all ideas are harmless and to recognize that, in practice, only those that foster success (or at least minimize failure) truly hold value.

Thank you for provoking such thoughtful reflection on how we evaluate the quality of our worldviews.

That being said, I’d argue that deep philosophical reflection—questioning the nature of reality, perception, and meaning—does have practical value. It shapes how we approach life, make decisions, and find purpose. Even in fields like science and technology, breakthroughs often come from challenging assumptions about reality. So while some beliefs may be detached from real-world success, I’d argue that the pursuit of understanding itself is a form of success—it expands our minds and helps us navigate life more thoughtfully

Self-doubt is the basis of wisdom.

All perspectives are interpretations of reality.
It is how our brains evolved to reduce dynamic interactivity into forms that can be useful.

The quality of mind, and its objectives determine the perspectives quality.
All perspectives are approximations.

I always say… all is about degree…not absolutes.
All is probability, not certainty.

This uncertainty is what causes anxiety in those who need certainty.

Nihilism is a defensive reaction to man’s developing self-consciuosnes. His emergent third-person-perspectivism, exposing him to a new source of insecurity.
The average mind, the cowardly spirit, seeks shelter in subjectivity, and in collectivized mutually supportive systems of intersubjectivity.
For them objectivity exposes the world’s unendurable, brutality its unjust indifference to human suffering.
They need lies to help them cope…

Denial of free-will is part of this coping.

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People of several different faiths believe this is a created world, and that we are creature-cocreators within the Creator.

There are uncreated, but creative, basics to being a (co-)creator.

To put it … very simply.

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Nice post OP, thanks. And welcome to ILP :+1:

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I’m glad to be here. My posts aren’t exactly my beliefs—just thoughts I jot down. I compile, revise, and reflect on them. They’re just speculations, exploring the unknown, and variations of my beliefs. Honestly, I’m going to start using this website as a journal. So, stay tuned!

Hello Cody.

I go to LDS and JW church, right now.

I’m similar to a Christian.

I love to see more Christians at discussion forums.

So, welcome to ILP , from me to you.

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Hello, thank you. It’s great to hear you’re involved in both LDS and JW communities. I too agree, it’s always nice to see Christians engaging in thoughtful discussions.

Hey, guys and or gals! I truly appreciate your warm welcomes, but I must kindly urge everyone to stay on topic with the post. I still appreciate it very, very much! Just a heads-up in case any more kind individuals come along. Stay blessed and have a wonderful day!

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Hello and welcome.

Your OP (opening post / original post, or original poster) seems standard for the faiths l’ve encountered (Abrahamic, perhaps also Dharmic faiths).

I wasn’t going to reply but l see later down the thread you asserted your seriousness so here is my side of the story:

Reality as subjective: My religion, Islam, teaches the same e.g. our testament of faith makes us alone with God, but we also accept others too are alone with God, all this in one statement.

Objective reality: Al Haqq = The True, the Real = one of the 99 names of Allah. Nobody else can claim that name. One of our greatest mediaeval Sufi saints Al Hallaj claimed it in a state of ecstasy from divine union, saying “I am the Truth”. He was executed for such utterances but even his opponents record he did not flinch during his death sentence. I personally don’t have an issue with it, to say it is a grave blasphemy but if it’s true then it should be stated - Al Hallaj was dancing in his chains and didn’t mind being executed for it.

You get a taste of this hyperreality when you feel pleasure. I think if it’s an evil pleasure then that’s a person’s pay-off and they’ll get no more beyond this life.

Holographic universe: Our Qur’an teaches this in many instances e.g.
018.007 Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an ornament thereof that We may try them: which of them is best in conduct.
018.008 And lo! We shall make all that is thereon a barren mound.

Incomplete perception: Al Alim (the Knowing), Al Hakim (the Wise) are two names of Allah. We can be knowing and wise but not The Knowing, The Wise. Our grasp on matters is infinitessimaly small compared to God’s, e.g.
018.109 Say: Though the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, verily the sea would be used up before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even though We brought the like thereof to help.

When we die we see the truth: The Prophet’s cousin / son-in-law 'Ali said: “People are asleep when they die they will wake up”. It is also said that he would sometimes lie down in an empty grave in preparation for death.

Laws of physics: I’m sure it’s a game created by the Creator. Physics readily admits its laws break down in extreme situations e.g. the earlier parts of the Big Bang, or in the extreme situation of a black hole singularity, within the Event Horizon.

I think my faith directly states that the universe is imbued with law / meaning, e.g.:

38:27 And We did not create the heaven and the earth and that between them aimlessly …
45:22 And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth

There’s also the enormous complexity of life on earth, and the cosmos itself is said to be even more complex than living organisms.

Happy searching.

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Matter in fact, I actually have a Qur’an sitting around my house, I never got to reading it. But after this, I will definitely be investing my time into it.

I will get on different matters another day, but until now, I’m going to take my sleepy butt to bed.

Let me know the translation, i’ll give my view. I’m not trying to take you away from your faith by the way. I’m just talking my POV.

No worries! You’re not going to steal my faith, I think, we’ll see. Anyways, here is the picture, I got it for free.


Let me know if you need anything else

Gosh, l’ve never heard of that translation, but Al Azhar is said to be a major major university in the Islamic world. I would like to see a random page of the translation if you don’t mind, then l can appraise its quality (of English). I first learned my holy book via the worst translation possible (the Hilali and Khan translation) - l still benefitted hugely from it but there were parentheses everywhere and insertions in the parentheses that were not at all part of the Qur’an. So it’s all good but it’d be interesting to see a sample page …

Sure thing. Here are a few:




If you want better pictures I could give you them tomorrow – 2025-02-21 21:15

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No that’s great, thank you. It looks like a beautiful translation, l don’t see any parentheses, it’s just a lovely linear text, and it has an intro to each chapter too, brilliant! And footnotes. I was going to suggest another translation but that translation looks just like your one in style so no need! I hope you get something from it :slight_smile:

Quick clarificaton: As you can see, l then quote my holy book as sayng:
38:27 And We did not create the heaven and the earth and that between them aimlessly …

What l mean is, the universe has infinitessimally (sp.?) small meaning to our creator, so it could be considered a “game” in that sense, but it has very profound meaning, and acts as a theophany, a revelation of the divine. So, it’s not frivolous as such. Have fun and peace!