A few philosophical thoughts about

Let us renew this search for what it means to be human…

We are ‘‘ad hoc’’ of the moment, we are limited in every
area… we have limited intellect, limited senses, we have
a limited/finite life… at what point do we or can connect
with a universal, one size fits all, be it an ism, life,
ideas, or even a feeling…or to put that rather oddly,
how do we get from our natural limited being to an
unlimited being? how do we go from ''Ad hoc" to
unlimited being? How do we connect with the universal,
while being limited, ''ad hoc?"

I say, we can’t… there is no way we human beings, while being
limited in nature, are able to connect with the universal/unlimited…
all those isms of nation, of religion, of ideologies, are meant
to bridge a gap that is unbridgeable…to turn a limited
human being into an unlimited human being…

to go from the one limited being to a universal/unlimited being
is impossible… there is simply no mechanism that allow us to
make that transition from temporary to permeant… for all
our isms, all of them are temporary, impermanent, transitory…
the question becomes how do we escape our limited,
transitory lives? and I must honestly answer, is escape even
possible?

the human existence is bounded, limited, transitory,
isolated… we are, inherently, discrete beings…
which is to say we are individual, separated and distinct…
we are not continuous…
this desperate search for love that people engage with, and I have done
so myself, is a search for a connection that does not automatically
occur because we are isolated, finite, limited…
and this isolation that has separated us from universal beings, limiting
us to being finite, separate, discrete beings…

How do we overcome this inherent aspect of being human?

Kropotkin

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It’s about understanding we are limited parts of unlimited being.

We are all facets of existence.

human beings are always trying to merge with, become
one with something bigger than they are…
I often hear of soldiers saying that they joined the Army,
or Navy or what have you, to become ‘‘part of something bigger’’
you hear this all the time from people… and why this
need to ‘‘become part of something bigger?’’

I hold its because of the ‘‘ad hoc’’ nature of our lives…
we are apart, separate from each other and from the state/society…
that is the nature of being in regards to the human existence…

As for me, I exist within the realm of ideas and intellectuals…
that is my existing within something larger, bigger than I am…
and the explanation of much in the world… the MAGA world
lives there to give themselves a place within the world…
MAGA exists to create something bigger within people’s lives…
as does our allegiance to sports teams, and political parties
and those in various communities like D & D communities,
the Chess community… and any other community like this…
and this goes true for other attempts at community…
like the need for Patriotism… we take pride in nation because
we lack connection, community in other aspects of our lives…

A vital aspect of being human is this sense of connection…
to be human is to be connected to something…
the Ancient Greeks recognized this in their understanding
of what it meant to be human…for the Greeks, it was only
within community that we can be human…the high point of
being human laid within the city/state of Athens, or Sparta,
or any of the hundreds of Greek city/ states…
it wasn’t the religious that made us human, it was the political,
at least according to the Greeks…
and unlike Marxists, it wasn’t the economic that made us human,
for being in business, being what we would call a ‘‘Businessman’’
was for both the Greeks and the Romans, an insult,
for the businessman was one of the lower form of life,
at least according to the Greeks/Romans…just slightly above
the slave…In the Roman world, business was conducted,
in large part, by current or former slaves…No self respecting
Roman/or Greek, would have self-identified as a Businessman…

That’s because their aim is much higher… becoming part of something
larger didn’t mean working in business, as it is today in Modern day America…
the height of being human didn’t rest within one’s bank account…
as it is today…because being wealthy is just another attempt at
belonging to something larger than we are… the well to do club…
and those who promote seeing out wealth as a sign of being human,
fail to see or don’t care, is that seeking out wealth, to the exclusion
of other human aspects, that is called an addiction…
wealthy people are addicted to gaining wealth, just like the alcoholic
is addicted to drink and the gambler is addicted to gambling..
an addiction is an addiction, regardless of whether it is to drugs,
booze, or money… the truth is that becoming wealthy isn’t
part of becoming something larger than we are, as is becoming
a soldier or being a Christian is…in fact, wealth as is now being
used, is a means of the fatal flaw in becoming… for it is nihilism…
for the pursuit of money is nihilistic because it put money over
people and their values…

and in a very real sense, thus joining in something bigger than
we are, can be considered to be nihilistic…for it puts that
entity, the something bigger, as being more important than
human being and their values…if I can be sacrificed for
the greater good of the state/society/entities like the Army, then
that entity is more important than I am… and that is nihilism…

But Kropotkin, you call everything in our modern world,
nihilism… but frankly, most of the modern world is nihilistic
in nature… it is where they put things human as not as important
as things such as money, pride, nation, or entities like the Armed forces…
for to negate, devalue human beings and their values, no matter for what,
is still nihilism…and that doesn’t impact the Greek belief in the state,
for the values of the state, weren’t the values that were forced on others,
one could pick the values one wanted to live under… and that is
the opposite of nihilism…Socrates often discussed those values
worth living under… justice, love, power, to name a few values
discussed in Plato… values if followed, highlight the human
aspect of existence, not the nihilistic values that negated
or devalued human beings and their values…

So, this question of finding ourselves and the values worth
living, can come down to the nature of values…
are the values we live under indoctrinated to us,
or do we come to these values honestly and willingly?

are the values and beliefs we need or want as human beings,
are they bottom up values or top down values? In joining
something bigger than we are, are we joining to create new
values for us, or to honor those values that came before us?
What is the reason that we decide to join something bigger than
we are? are we seeking conformation of our values/beliefs or
are we finding new values to believe in?

Kropotkin

Only a lifeless binary processing biological machine claims things are nihilistic Peter.

We know this binary processing biological machine exists because it needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist.

Philosophically,you are very naive.

currently reading William James book, The ‘‘Varieties of Religious
experience’’ on the chapter where he talks about those who are
‘‘Healthy’’ soul and those who are ‘‘soul sick’’… and as the book itself
is over 100 years old, and at the beginning of the ‘‘soul sick age’’
that the 20th century was, it is instructive to read about ‘‘soul sick’’
before the entire age itself was ‘‘soul sick’’…
Or does one consider the Holocaust as not being ‘‘soul sick’’,
or the two world wars as not being ''soul sick? or the many acts
of inhumanity to one another over the last 126 years?
My Lai, Kent State, the current evil waged against minorities
and immigrants as not being ''soul sick"
part of being ‘‘soul sick’’ is the need/ability to negate others,
to dehumanize other human beings, as the right/conservatives/MAGA
PRACTICES today… In their use of ICE/SS, they are engaged in
being ‘‘soul sick’’ on a public stage… There is no universe in which
the practices of ICE/SS can be considered to be healthy, or not ‘‘soul sick’’…
that the right/MAGA can’t even tell that they are being ‘‘soul sick’’ is
instructive…

So, how does one go from being ‘‘soul sick’’ to becoming ‘‘soul healthy?’’
The vast majority of ILP is ‘‘soul sick’’… as they practice nihilism,
which is the use of nihilistic practices, such as seeking out the
negative, practice negative/nihilistic beliefs, such as
the belief in nationalism, god/religion, country, white is right,
idiotic conspiracy theories that have no other value then to be
negative… the practice of conspiracy theories such as the anti-Jewish
trope or the superiority of whites, is nihilism… for it doesn’t bring out
anything positive or ‘‘ad meliora’’… as I have stated before…

another nihilistic trope is the anti-Liberal trope that has become
like a bad fungus around here…the modern drive for
the trinkets of existence, the seeking out of fame, money, power,
titles and materials possessions is also negative, or in my language,
nihilistic… that beliefs and values today are so commonly nihilistic
isn’t even notice today… it is accepted as part of the territory,
of modern beliefs/values…We can’t even see our modern beliefs
as being nihilism or as I have stated, being ‘‘soul sick’’..
and that is part of the modern problem… we can’t see ourselves
for who we are… belief in god or a religion like Christianity,
requires us to hold to nihilism… because those beliefs of religion
and of a god crucified, is nihilism… for then it makes death,
the crucial aspect of life, not life being the crucial aspect of life…
to drink the wine, as the blood of christ, that is nihilism for it
embraces the nihilism of religion…to practice life in preparation
for death, as death religions like Christianity, that is nihilism…
for life is its own reward, it doesn’t need death to be complete,
or whole, unlike most religions… to be religious is to
nihilistic, for religions make the case for salvation the crucial
aspect of religion when being saved isn’t really a part of existence…
for what are we being saved for? or what are we being save from?
Nihilism… pure and simple…for being saved takes the focus
away from existing and puts it on death…

so, this question of being ‘‘soul sick’’ really dominates us,
even today… so, are you soul sick or are you soul healthy?
Or have you never even given this a thought?

Kropotkin

You need to learn about reality philosophy science Peter.

+/-=+/- philosophy science in other words.

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS are vibratory balanced throughout the cosmos by the formula N/S=N/S creating vibration.

This philosophy science explains why the lifeless binary processing biological machine claims that it exists and doesn’t exist.

It exists because it needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist.

It doesn’t possess metaphysical life though.

Let us look at soul sickness and healthy soul, within the confines
of two people… one is IQ45 and the other is Obama…
Now, clearly the soul sick one is IQ45 and the healthy soul is
Obama… but Kropotkin, how do we know?

Let us first focus on IQ45… he is very clearly, an very unhappy
person… have he ever said anything that was remotely positive
or upbeat? NOPE… Every single utterance in every format is routinely
negative… has he ever praised anyone in a non-transactional means?
In other words, he praised only when he get praised… his entire
approach in life is transactional… from my handy-dandy dictionary:

Transactional: relating to the conducting of business, especially
buying and selling…

it is relational to narrow, self-interested bargaining…
you scratch my back, I scratch yours…in terms of life,
personally, professionally, socially, economically and philosophically…
it seeks to gain some sort of advantage over others…and it is the primary
aspect of the zero-sum game… to win the point… and screw others…
that is the IQ45 game in its entirety… where only one person wins,
and that person must be IQ45… the idea of others winning is appalling
to his type… for that is not transactional… and that type of trying to
gain advantage at all times, regardless of the situation, is being
‘‘soul sick’’… whether America wins is irrelevant to IQ45…
the only thing that matters is that he wins, everyone else can go to
hell… and that is being ‘‘soul sick’’ the only one who counts is
the person engaged in transactional thinking…

As I have suggested that IQ45 is ‘‘soul sick’’ and then I must
mean that Obama isn’t soul sick, but in fact, Obama is a ‘‘healthy
soul’’… does Obama engage, as IQ45 does, in hate, anger,
lust, negative values, or does Obama practice healthy soul
issues, where others can win, where he is not the center of
everything, Obama practiced transformational thinking…
not transactional thinking…according to my handy-dandy dictionary:

Transformational: refers to a process, experience or
leadership style that causes significant, positive, and lasting
change, fundamentally altering the nature or the appearance of
something…

Transformational leadership: a style of leadership that inspires,
motivates, and empowers followers to achieve extraordinary
outcomes, fostering a culture of creativity, innovation and long
term success. Key traits include being a visionary, empathetic and an
effective communicator…

We know, after watching IQ45 for years, that he doesn’t
inspire, he doesn’t motivate, he is not an effective communicator,
nor is he empathetic or a visionary… in short, he has no positive
traits that would suggests that he is a transformational leader…
transformational leadership is about helping others to achieve,
not like IQ45 transactional leadership in which only the leader
can achieve anything… as he is found of saying, ONLY I
can achieve that…whereas Obama says we, IQ45 can only
say me…

The fact of the matter is that IQ45 is soul sick, and until he
notices other human beings that exist, he cannot escape
being a transactional person, not a transformational leader…

so, once again, are you soul sick or do you have an healthy
soul and why? What makes you think that?

Kropotkin

Jupiter123:

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You need to learn about reality philosophy science Peter.

+/-=+/- philosophy science in other words.

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS are vibratory balanced throughout the cosmos by the formula N/S=N/S creating vibration.

This philosophy science explains why the lifeless binary processing biological machine claims that it exists and doesn’t exist.

It exists because it needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist.

It doesn’t possess metaphysical life though.

K: I rarely ever answer you because you don’t engage in
philosophy…Your formula based philosophy isn’t philosophy
at all… it is a formula… and how do we get answers about what
it means to be human from a formula?

Your formula fails to answer the most important questions of
being human… Your formula fails to help us in those moments
in the night, when we wake up and ask, ''Is this all there is to life?"
Your formula fails to answer such basic questions as to
''what does it mean to be human?" and your formula fails
to address the past, present or future of being human?
and sometimes, we human beings wake up to the existential
terror of being alive, and your formula has no answer to
these and other very important questions of existence…
if we are, as Nietzsche suggested, on the road to becoming
fully human, going from animal to becoming human, then
what are the steps of becoming that allow us to move
us from animal to becoming human? Your formula fails
there…your formula does not and cannot answer the
essential questions of existence… and the very important
question of … Now what? what is next for me and us?
the one, the individual and the collective, the society at large…
how does the one, the individual fit into the collective, the
state/society? Your formula fails to answer that question…
to be blunt, your formula fails in every aspect…it is worse
than useless because it pretends to be something it is not…

I know you will say I don’t understand reality or philosophy or
science, but you are a one trick pony who doesn’t understand
anything… because within philosophy lies the very real
problem of doubt… and your formula doesn’t even answer that
question… I doubt therefore I am…and what is next?
How do we overcome the nihilism of our age? The very real
problem of being engaged in the negative, which is being ‘‘soul sick’’
and your formula doesn’t even answer the question of how to
overcome being ''soul sick?" you have no answers within
your formula based existence… try to rejoin the human race
with its doubts, hopes, fears, happiness and joy… your formula
does not and cannot deal with those very human ideas…

Kropotkin

You are completely wrong Peter.

The formula +/-=+/- explains the cosmos and the lifeless binary processing biological machine.

It explains absolutely everything.

Your frustrations are all down to the starting philosophy that you have fully embraced which is +=- and -=+ philosophy.

More fool you.

Can you not see that a lifeless binary processing biological machine needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist? ….your doesn’t exist is a misrepresentation of reality as we both know.

So all you do is claim that you misrepresent reality.

this is why I hate dealing with fanatics, they can’t see
anything but their own ‘‘formula’’…

Kropotkin

I’m no fanatic Peter….

All you do is claim that you misrepresent reality with +=- and -=+ philosophy….Why should we listen to self confessed psychotic fanatics who exist and claim that they are a misrepresentation of reality?

A fool is unable to cancel themselves out because they claim to be a misrepresentation of reality thus definitively proving that they are a liar that exists.You need to exist to claim that you don’t exist you see …you need to exist to claim anything at all, so NO, the fool isn’t an illusion rather they are a lifeless binary processing biological machine.

As you exist because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist then you have lost your non existence so how are you going to cancel yourself out now?

Its philosophically proven that +=- and -=+ philosophy is false.If it were true then there wouldn’t be any claims and counter claims, there would just be silence.

As you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist go and ponder how you lost your non existence Peter…..How sad….how will you cancel yourself out now?

A genuine religious experience is not an emotional, sensational, or supernatural phenomenon but is a rational, life changing encounter based on truth, not emotion.

The doctrine should not be dictated by feelings. One’s own conversion from an evolutionist to a creationist is probably not instantaneous,or an emotional event, but as a long and often hard road in search of truth.

A true religious experience is one that transforms a person’s life, provides hope and brings them into alignment with the teachings of the Scriptures. One should be cautious against seeking emotional highs or mystical experiences .

William James’s The Varieties of Religious Experience explores the feelings, acts, and experiences of individual men in their solitude" regarding what they consider divine".

James argues that diverse spiritual feelings ranging from mystical ecstasy to “sick soul” melancholy - are legitimate and functional.

Perhaps Peter, if you have read any part of my post you could enlighten me on

What is a sick soul?

Your non existence is the metaphysical Peter…Your existence is a LIFELESS binary processing biological machine which exists because it needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist.

I exist/I don’t exist=I exist/I don’t exist are the binary output claims of a lifeless biological machine which EXISTS!!!

This is truth.

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Peter’s philosophy.. always portray ‘the Other’‘ as heartless bastards so that you portray your side as shining beacons of humanity and love.

The claims, “I exist” and “I don’t exist” are on BOTH sides of the philosophical fence and it doesn’t matter which of the claimants you are or even if you are the same claimant…you exist because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist…so therefore, you don’t, not exist…so there is no cancelling out of the claimant/s…so mainstream sciences starting philosophy of +=- and -=+ which claims that there was nothing prior to its single big bang which therefore happened by magic is now proven to be incorrect, but we knew that anyway because either mainstream sciences single big bang did happen by magic or something caused it thus once again proving that its starting philosophy of +=- and -=+ in incorrect. So we have all the proof that we need now that mainstream sciences cosmology and particle physics is founded upon an incorrect starting philosophy.

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Off-topic! :raised_hand:t3:

No, its not off topic…its a few philosophical thoughts Surya…what’s up don’t you like these few philosophical truths!!!

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You were warned about spamming the boards with this, so yes.. you are spamming.
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You are now added to those whom I ignore, so consider yourself ignored.

I am not spamming this post at all.

You’re trapped in binary on the left or right side of the fence Surya !!! You’re not binary…You are separate from binary because you interpret varying frequency electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from vibratory interacting particles across the fence which emit those energy waves.

Even mainstream science acknowledges this but can’t reconcile its science to it because its cognitively biased.

N/S are spinning particles on both sides of the fence which vibratory interact ACROSS THE FENCE and emit varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves (S) at the center.

It’s these energy waves that are converted into sounds;visions and sensations which you interpret in the void which is where you reside in the METAPHYISICAL!!!

N/S (S) N/S…N/S is a spinning particle with an N and S pole and (S) is the varying frequency electromagnetic energy wave emitted as a result of this interaction.

We know the science and starting philosophy for reality Surya!!! and it isn’t the starting philosophy that mainstream science adopts.