a field guide to critical thinking

kris/magjs/etc etc. read it.

-James Lett

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yeah, I don’t really care. If people are too lazy to read a relevant article or post because its copied/pasted from a relevant article or post, when people all over the site already show a critical lack of understanding over the concepts, and already had it explained to them a thousand times, by dozens of people, then its hardly the same situation, now is it?

Its sad and pathetic to think that people won’t read a copy/paste because of pre-existing notions about copy/pasting or whatever the fuck. Would you prefer a link to the website in question that no one will look at?

I do it because more people are likely to read/quote about the subject envolved.

I also Love anytime anyone links me to a good article, link or COPY/pasted. Anything relevant with evidence that is, and thats the standard I expect from people worth talking to, its not going to change.

Like I haven’t explained this shit dozens and dozens of time here.

No a critical field guide in the science section is EXACTLY what this place needs.

See this isn’t a science board exactly, it just has a science section. It’s actually a philosophy board. Some people may think that this means that here should be the place where ideas are presented and challenged, and arguments are made and so on. To some extent this is what happens here. The problem is that you get nihilist kids who wont get along with anyone and refuse to even concede that something can make sense, then you get people who are so science oriented that they don’t recognize the philosophical flaws of their own line of thinking. Now there’s nothing really wrong with either of those two kinds of people, until they start acting ignorant and calling each other names and shit. That’s just boring when that happens, and it makes me wish I had gone to the library instead of logging on here.

Another thing I don’t get is why this site allows people to start duplicate threads like 5 times a day. Have you ever noticed that some of the posters only ever make one point regardless of the fact that they start 100 threads a day? I"m not just talking about ladyjane either. That’s the kind of shit that makes it hard to take this site seriously and even want to come here and say anything that matters at all. When you look at a place like this, and see that it’s just like a bunch of retarded monkey throwing shit at each other, neither of them understanding the other’s position, and most of them hardly able to defend thier own, it’s no wonder that most people don’t waste thier time to try and post anything philosophically challenging at all. I dunno man. I just think that this place is going downhill.

Yeah, and hence it should be science in the sceince section.

And science is a form of philosophy and much of relevant philosophy requires education to be able to say, present and challenge and debate ideas. And so on and so forth, and links to articles on those subjects being discussed is essential.

yes, and you get a thousand other people who believe in nonsense philosophy to support their own emotional needs, who can’t for the life of them pick out a cognitive bias if they tried.

probably because very few if any philosophical arguements actually invalidate anything science has to say.

I disagree, infact I see lots of people here UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHERS POSITIONS and I see a lot of people DISAGREEING WITH EACH OTHER, which doesn’t somehow always mean they don’t understand the debate, they just don’t agree, and the basis of that should be evidence, which is what is debated on and off here.

Thats right retarded monkeys throwing shit on each other. Thats exactly what happens when someone posts a thread about psychic cats and is too ignorant or emotional to see the problems with it or suggesting ghosts and so forth (run of the mill philosophical arguements are broken and shattered just like any other psuedoscience when it comes to claims about physics) is exactly why we need a critical thinking guide here, because the people that don’t understand critical thinking are doing the equivilent of throwing monkey shit.

making emotional claims and then getting insultive when people point out how ridiculous they are.

See nothing in run of the mill philosophy contradicts sensically the field guide to critical thinking and that includes your attitudes about scientifically minded people being blinded to flaws (oh no the flaws and arrogance of science that only philosophy can see!!!), I put this guide to critical thinking here, so maybe, one day, people will understand not to make nonsense statements like that.

Critical thinking books and lists of rules seem really objective because they point out thier assumptions and make deductive arguments all that. But when you interpret those rules, and when you apply those arguments, what gets considred “critical thinking” at that point, on the practical level, it just as full of holes as anything else.

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Yep, circular arguments send me to sleep / bore the fuck outta me, too - sometimes, I sleep-in all afternoon: as it’s more interesting than interacting with others… :sunglasses:

Haha, thanks for including my username in your OP, Cyrene - I am truelly flattered! :wink: :laughing:

…seeing that you took the time to copy and paste it: I will read it, and get back to you! O:)

Actually no, and I request you take it step by step and explain why the guide to critical thinking is incorrect. Start at falsifiability or whatever, i’d be interested to hear besides a vauge statement to that effect.

No, science is a philosophy. Theres a distinction between different types of philosophy based on their individual ideas. Science isn’t a common type of philosophy, but it literally is one.

It’s not incorrect. But it being correct doesn’t imply what you might think all the time. What makes you a better judge of critical thinking than someone else? I’m not going to get into a copy and paste competition with you, nor will I respond to individual sentences. I think the point I was making is clear enough. If you don’t, then just think more critically about it.

What makes me a better judge of critical thinking then someone else?

I’m more intelligent then most people.
more educated then most people on sciences relevant to the discussions i’m talking about, most importantly. I’m massively educated on the human mind and the errors in judgement it commonly makes, and every other area of research on the human mind that I can stuff into reading about it. I read about 10hours every day and own a small library all with relevant and good texts about the human brain, many of them about those errors in judgement.

bayesian logicand so forth and so on too.

If you want an easy anwser, i’m not spouting idiocy about ghosts, psychic cats, and so forth and so on.

that doesn’t make me more capable by some wizardly degree, i’m just saying i’m more capable then people who are making suggestions about psychic cats. And I am, because i’m not making those idiotic claims.

I think you just made my point.

you should read T Kuhn book the structure of scientific revolution
it has heaps of examples why falsifiablity is not the scientific method

i will give two examples -already in another thread

another example why falsifiablity is not the scientific method

the early tests of einstiens theory showed it was wrong
as the predicted did not match the measured-but the theory was not abandoned

scientificexploration.org/js … and/1.html

AND NOTE

Didn’t Popper used this measuring stick against psychoanalysis by Freud and the theories of Marx on history?

yes he did
but it backfired on him because it was not even the scientific method as my examples show
falsifabilty is discredited

physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/16478

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_of_science

Yes, conceptual integration of sciences, what does that have to do with anything?

I’m very familiar with different scientific branches being part of an over-reaching frame-work. Biology doesn’t contradict chemistry, chemistry doesn’t contradict biology, niether contradict physics and so forth and so on.

This has largely happened with many many many behavorial sciences in the last decades as well.

Concecptual integration of science isn’t going to have people accepting ghosts and psychic cats.

Or were you respond to the poster above you?

rubbish

quantum mechanics via quantum logic shows that the laws of logic that the other science use is false
so physics does contradict the other sciences
also quantum mechanics views on randomness contradict most other deterministic sciences