A look forward in hope

As so often in human history, we stand at a point from which we do not know exactly where the road leads. The clouds of war and destruction are ominously close, hatred echoes in countries where we didn’t expect it, and insecurity spreads across the most populous countries where war has supposedly been banished. We thought we could move into a future free of armed conflict and export the prosperity we ourselves enjoy. However, we did not reckon with the corruption, nationalism, xenophobia, disorientation, and conspiracies that we ourselves partly caused. We have not integrated people who think differently, who imagine a different future, who have their own dreams, and we have not reckoned with the militant representatives of fundamentalist faiths who believe they have to defend their religion against a rampant atheism and decadence.

I think this is mainly because, although we had our own problems, we still considered ourselves better than those who had not achieved what we thought we had achieved. We couldn’t even imagine how those we were supposedly trying to help would view us. We actively avoided seeing our societies through their eyes and self-critically assessing what we represented. This is not the first time we have done this. Indigenous societies have suffered time and again from our arrogance, and in the 17th century, indigenous representatives of what would later become North America and Canada looked upon our cities with disgust and took offense at being called “savages.” It has been our own problems, which we seem to have always mentally repressed, that have been our undoing over and over again in the past centuries, and which today are contesting our supposed moral supremacy in the current conflicts.

The German philosopher Friedrich Hegel once said, “The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.” As we follow current events, it seems that there is a real resistance to learning from history, so one has to wonder if we want to dare to look forward. The current cornerstones of our societies are being deconstructed by young people, with no real vision for the future. Many older people believe they can romanticise the past and do not see the need for self-criticism. Moral institutions undermine their authority through scandals caused by ideologically inflated delusions, and role models are sought among artificial figures who stand out through wealth and self-indulgence and are so morally unstable that they often fall prey to substance abuse at an early age.

Looking forward, we must ask ourselves if this is what we are trying to recommend ourselves with. Is it a basis for a future in which it becomes possible for as many people as possible to pursue a life according to their dreams, but also in which, those who struggle with disadvantages are also integrated? Many people experience the disadvantages of individualism, but still do not want to give it up, even though our society functions mainly through people competing to promote consumerism. This competition leads to conflicts and stress that make people sick, and causes subcultures of creativity to stand apart, contributing little to the shaping of society as a whole. There is a lack of collective effort to realize a common vision, because many see the reward for their effort flowing into corporations that build immense wealth but contribute nothing to the common good.

One vision that might help us achieve a semblance of hope is the idea of unity, which is surprisingly a vision of ancient traditions and a modern theory of reality. The origin of the material cosmos is a mystery that humanity has struggled to understand for millennia, and the idea that the universe is infinite and unitary seems to hold up. All of reality, visible and invisible, in this vision is permeated with consciousness. All points in space, time and consciousness are connected. Everything contains consciousness, in various degrees, without exception. And an underlying consciousness is the creator of reality, life, matter, energy, light and sound - and what humans have called God.

The strength of such a vision is that, with a degree of willingness, we can see how all faiths and concepts of reality converge on this understanding. It is a common denominator. Whatever name your tradition has used, Allah, YHWH, Brahman, Christ, Ein Sof, Krishna, Shiva, Vishnu, OM, Tao, Wakan Taka and many more, or whatever circumscription or euphemism you have used, if we can unite and accept that we all have discovered some aspect of the “Ground of Being” in our traditions, we could look ahead. Resistance to this only means further conflict and suffering.

What do you think?

If only the human being could learn to grow up and put aside his childhood of dependency on his various tribalisms and the infancy of religions.

I have had trouble communicating my thoughts to you in the past, but there’s an optimist inside me somewhere enticing me to try again, that perhaps an interesting dialogue could be had.

Yes it does… but it also means freedom of thought.
You can attempt to persuade, with the threat of conflict and suffering, but you are fighting the promise of freedom every damned time.

You cannot have freedom of thought, whether individual or tribal, without risking conflicts of interest… and those risk devolving into hatred and malice.
How do you propose we retain people’s freedom to think differently and never have it result in rejecting the “unifying force”, in whatever form it may take?
How will you solve that problem, do you imagine?
We surrender our individuality, our loved ones, our hopes and dreams, we sacrifice them to a higher power for fear of conflict and war?

Fear might well quell your speech and action, but only until such a time when you believe you might win the war and finally be free…

I do not believe you’ve figured out how to square that circle… and yet that seems to be your claim, but perhaps I’ve misunderstood you.

A slave consumes hope from others.
A master creates hope for himself.

Which one is the OP?

You do talk a lot of rot most of the time. And this is no exception.
Since a slave is not free, whatever he does is to be laid at the door of the Master. So it is bleeding obvious even to a weak minded person like yourself that slavery consumes hope. And it is the master doing the consuming.

Lol @ all of you when the Master who thinks your steps washes your feet in fire.

It seems like you’re just Master baiting.

Could you imagine that the various religious traditions were each in their own way portraying a transition in human awareness and ability to think, which are still a part of our natural process of growing up (as in integral theory), from which lessons can be learned that could protect us from making mistakes that people of the past have made? The idea behind the transmission of these traditions is to enable the following generations to progress beyond the stage of past generations without going through the tribulations themselves.

The problems we are having with fundamentalism is due to the arrogance of societies that disregard their traditions, and which are conceived of as being a threat – which they are. Admittedly, this anxiety doesn’t enable the traditional societies to progress in awareness, but throws them back onto their traditions, which they attempt to protect by taking them literally. A natural progress is thereby inhibited and would be best assisted, if a universal acceptance of the cultural differences produced exemplary behaviour. Unfortunately, the societies that consider themselves more advanced do not display any signs of this.

The integral process of accepting the steps through which we grow as individuals and as societies as a natural development, which we encourage, could have the desired effect of advancing the awareness of all of humanity, and support the vision of a collective future.

My lips are hermetically sealed.

Sorry. It had to be said. How does one not??? It would’ve been a grave injustice that reverberated throughout all eternity.

Well, there is nothing like trying. I would put aside assumptions though that I consider myself capable of squaring the circle. I have put forward a thesis, as modest as it may appear, and I am asking for comments.

You should do something about your English, it sounds very aggressive. You pursue an idea that you have set in your mind and fail to pick up on where people are going with their thoughts.

Conflict and suffering aren’t a threat, they are already here. I’m looking for a way to discontinue the bane of humanity, not propose a new threat. Freedom, as a famous songwriter noted, “well, that’s just some people talkin’” as long as it doesn’t bring warmth and comfort to someone out in the cold. Our notion of freedom in as being as “free as a bird” is relatively modern individualistic idea, whereas freemen initially had the right to live within walls, safe from robbers and murderers.

The idea that we can’t accept that different cultures have developed different traditions is not what we are observing. In the individualistic West, various traditions are being “appropriated” all the time, which is negatively formulated, but is what has always gone on throughout history. We learn from each other, and as long as we pose no threat, we exchange ideas. There are people all across the globe developing cooperative methods of sustainable living, but the ideology of competition prevents us from making progress.

We have also witnessed a cross-cultural understanding amongst some of the most conservative traditions, and a common agreement that each tradition must continue to progress in its own way. In fact, if you take the example of some of the pioneers of cross-cultural discussions, like Fr Bede Griffiths, Fr Thomas Merton, Dalai Lama, Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, Abraham Heschel, Buddhadasa, Thich Nhat Hanh, the depth of human experience that these people shared is remarkable.

The main point that came out of these dialogues was that no one need surrender their individuality, their loved ones, their hopes or dreams, but in fact it was agreed that the best way ahead was to be true to them as far as they didn’t infringe on those of others – much like we already live in society. The only thing that we have to surrender is the idea of supremacy and dominion, which has been a problem even within Christianity, let alone in conflict with other traditions. This is the problem with what we observe being expressed in Russia at present.

The very thought of being at war is a hurdle that needs to be overcome. Instead, we could understand ourselves as all on a journey to a common goal, travelling from different beginnings, along different roads, but finally joining our experience to the collective whole.

The purveyors of peace who seem to have started by finding peace in themselves and counsel others to do the same have always made the most sense to me. Begin by becoming aware of what is immediate to centered consciousness i.e. the body-mind and work out from there. The hope is that it has a butterfly effect.

Fun random fact. My university campus has a street named Mariposa.

The more you know…

…the more you have no freaking clue.

You know, sometimes I get the feeling that you’re drunk when you post. Could that be?

Not a chance.

A slave is defined by purposelessness and hopelessness.
A slave has no control over his/her fate, no purpose.

That you cannot understand this, demonstrates your (A)morality openly.
You are a slave, not a master.

I’m beginning to believe that Mastery is genetically inherited, and cannot be ‘educated’ nor ‘indoctrinated’ nor ‘built’ from the blood of the slave class.

Mastery is directly proportional to Morality.
Slaves have little-to-no Morals/Values/Purpose/Meaning in life.

The Slave is attracted to the Master, not the other way around.
There is no Gravity nor value derived from the Slave—no soul, no spirit, empty.

This is why the Slave “looks forward in hope”, to the hope granted to him/her by the Master.
Slaves do not produce Hope; Slavery is a form of hierarchical parasitism.

Slave-nations cannot produce History or Culture.
A brief look at human history proves this within the first few pages.

What is the greatest difference between Master and Slave, except Ambition?
Willpower, Capability, Ethos of Magnificence, the Master has (genetic) Dreams the Slave cannot comprehend.

Hope is a Somatic phenomenon.
Those with low/no morality, have no Dreams worth remembering, let alone any worth realizing.

When Power is granted to the Slave, Anarchy and Destruction follow.
When Power is granted to the Master, Monarchy and Creation follow.

Hope is perverted in the Slave-class.
Slaves “hope” for the Apocalypse and Cataclysm.
Slaves “hope” for death, suffering, and torture.
The Slave “hope” is Nihilism.

Which does the OP represent???

No surprises there.
We all know that you are self deluded and think yourself superior.
But most of the people on the forum know you are just a slave to the endemic ideology which makes you think that way because that is how the establishment control people like you. They throw you a few maggoty carrots to make sure you are alienated from the people; because a divided people are most likely to be enslaved, Divide and rule.
And you have not only sucked but you have swallowed as well.

What do the Abrahamic religions teach?

That if you die, then you go to Paradise.
Utopia is on the other side of Death.

How is this not a Slave-morality?
How is this not a Slave-mindset?
How is this not a Slave-dialectic?

But only after You Die.
Is this not a call for you to kill yourself?
Show me where I’m wrong.
I know most of you morons on this forum are dying to prove me wrong, so do it…