Of course there’s truth you fool …it just ain’t Josh’s deluded ideas of it.He needs to reassess his starting philosophy for starters.
Hi RealUn,
We need to make sure we understand each other’s terminology. When I say existence I mean the same thing as reality. When I say awareness or consciousness, I mean our subjective experience. Consciousness in this sense is real, but not (according to many theories and conventional and scientific reality) the whole of reality, because there is the existence of things outside the mind. Before you are born, there is no reality of your consciousness (unless you were in a past life or something), when you are alive and awake, your consciousness is real, but subjective, and there is also an objective external reality (unless idealism is correct) in which things exist.
So if you say “there was non-existence when I was unconscious”, that would not be true unless you believed your mind was all of reality, because there would still be the external world.
If you say “Reality is greater, lesser, or in between existence”, and that you “can doubt reality but not existence”, I’m not 100% sure what you mean, because I use the terms interchangeably. Maybe you mean our experience of reality does not encompass all of existence? Which is correct as long as there’s an external world.
Hey John,
I didn’t claim “There is no truth at all”, I am actually claiming that the statement “There is no truth at all” cannot possibly be true or count as knowledge, due to the definition of knowledge, therefore we can safely reject it. And similarly for a number of other statements.
If pushed to define Reality then I’d call Reality: Parts of Existence. Thus I, and everybody else, can only doubt the truth of parts of existence, but never the totality of existence. And that is what we all imply when doubting Existence. Any individual’s “doubt” is only reflective of their subjective experience and logical capabilities.
Truth are subjective relationships within Existence, representing subjective Realities. A person can only doubt his or her own Reality, not others’ Reality.
Jupiter,
If you could tell me where my starting philosophy needs work, I would be very grateful to you. Unfortunately all you have shown you are able to do so far is make metaphysical claims, be derogatory to anyone who does not immediately accept them, and claim that science and God solves everything and leads to your conclusions. You have not engaged properly with a single thing I have said.
RealUn,
This is perfectly coherent… but why is it exactly that we can’t doubt others’ reality? What gives us the cause or reason or justification that we need to accept there are other realities?
I know this is a very sceptical question, but it is a necessary question to ask in a serious epistemology.
Firstly,+=- and -=+ philosophy derived from good is bad and bad is good philosophy doesn’t work…so you are wasting your time with it.
Do you mean good and bad in a moral sense? Because I haven’t made a single moral claim. This is strictly epistemology. I’m not sure if I’ve made any value-based claims either…
You are wasting your time making any claims if you get your starting philosophy wrong.
So point out what I said that is wrong, explain what is wrong about it, and make some arguments for your chosen view instead. That’s why I’m here!! Why do I have to explain how to have a debate!
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I’m just pointing out where you are going wrong Josh.
If you have already decided that +=- and -=+ then all of your science and psychology will be incorrect.
Fact.
What does +=- and -=+ even mean. It sounds like gobbledegook. Can you translate it into English? I may be confusing too, but at least I’m using English.
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Which is why you are nothing more than a deluded psychotic Josh who believes that he’s an illusion or Batman or Robin or whichever the latest atheistic or theistic fad is.
You know nothing about philosophy so why are you wasting your time posting nonsense on forums,
No you are actually not pointing out where I am going wrong. It’s the one thing I invited everyone to do and you won’t do it, not in English anyway. Why are you even here?
I saw your “I” precedes existence thread. That was actually an interesting topic. But all you people could do was assert your opinion back and forth and then start calling each other names. Is that the quality of conversation on this forum? Or is it just you bringing down the average?
You are boring Josh go away and take your +=- and -=+ philosophy derived from good is bad and bad is good philosophy with you. It doesn’t migrate across into science or psychology.
You have nothing to say that deluded atheists and theists haven’t already said.
If I’m boring then gtfo my thread! Lol.
You’re boring Josh.Someone needs to tell you before you waste too much more of your and everyone else’s time.
Nobody wants to listen to atheistic philosophy nonsense anymore.
I’ve made no religious claims whatsoever…
You are Josh,you’re just too deluded to realise it.You’ll have view about God so you are religious and boring.
If there’s like a moderator who sees this or something, I would just like to say that this is a ridiculous look for your forum and as a new member I am less than enthused to keep participating in conversations like this. This person does not give any reasons for anything or answer specific questions, just an opinion followed by a barrage of insults. It’s borderline trolling, it’s rude, it’s harassment, and it’s pathetic.