A nihilistic cosmos and world. Welcome to the fall.

Around the early nineteenth century the world had the opportunity to embrace equality fully along with enacting their idealistic fantasy known as the utopia and this opportunity was called Communism or simply what many called Marxism.

Karl Marx was the man who devised a communist system of egalitarianism in that everybody would be payed the same for their labors and efforts where equal compensation was offered yet in the midst of this wonderful global revolution many nations choosed to reject this dream instead. Why did this happen?

All nations speak of social equilibrium being the guideline of their markets and economics where total equality is the future goal of these wave of ideals yet at the defining moment of history in the early nineteenth century where a opportunity presented itself for social equilibrium many nations instead chosed to reject it in it’s communist form.

Even more interesting those nations that did choose to embrace communism and marxism failed at it miserably where the reality of their societies became the direct opposite of communism’s plan of social equilibrium along with it’s definition of total equality.

It would seem that the defining moment of a global utopia came and went in history where in the aftermath the dream of social equilibrium layed dead strangled by it’s very producers known as man for in all his dreams of equality along with social equilibrium his own imperfections got the best of him.

But what really happened here in this defining moment of history?

Could it be that reality shined through all these “human” constructs of equality, morality and egalitarianism in that our natural tendencies confronted or contradicted these imagined ideals of a utopic existence where our inner most instincts betrayed the ideals we were trying to formulate?

I believe our natural tendencies did confront these imagined ideals and fantasies of equality and in that confrontation the utopia layed smoldering in ashes dying it’s last gasp of air in the nineteenth century.

At once when the Russian Communist Soviet Union State fell in the 1980’s along with the Chinese Republic of Communism going capitalist the dream of a global utopia with social equilibrium fell to it’s knees.

So what is our global state of social existence now in a age where utopian idealism has died and where thoughts of social equilibrium lay absent? Our new age of history is social nihilism.

What is social nihilism? Social nihilism is telling everybody what to do and say all the while the speaker in hypocrisy does exactly the opposite of what they preach.

The speaker pronounces equality all the while they do the opposite in hypocrisy by partaking in inequality.

The speaker pronounces morality all the while they do the opposite in hypocrisy by partaking in amoral sentiments and actions.

The speaker pronounces justice all the while they do the opposite in hypocrisy by partaking in the daily social operations of the master slave relationship.

The speaker pronounces all these things and rids themselves of all responsibility of their actions through the usage of the media, the police and the justice system that has become their systemization of entrapment in monopolization of other people’s lives.

The speaker coerces and tricks the masses with utopian or egalitarian fantasies of the future where like fools the masses buy into it not realizing that at the same time the utopia remains in ashes smoldering in ruin since it died it’s last gasp in communism which due to the natural tendencies that confronted this fantastic imaginary ideal from people became strangled in ruin. The utopia lays dead.

People may read this and think to themselves that surely somthing in the future will bring about a motion of social salvation in the world to change all of this but to those sort of sentiments I see nothing beyond naivety.

In a nihilistic cosmos guided by social nihilism there is no salvation and there is no redemption. There is simply nothing.

Welcome to the nihilistic cosmos and world of ours. Welcome to the fall.

Marx underestimated the power of moral governments and religion… :wink:

He also neglected to account for the fact that some people are better than others and should have more.

ya i know… if i have a sword and you have a stick why shouldnt i cut our legs off?

Quite a trite response!

…Smears?

Why does being “better” than others necessitate “having more”?

If you are better, then naturally you may get more in life, but do you really want money to be the measure for it?

Because I’ll use my sophistry to convince you not to, or to convince you that it would be better for both of us to attack someone bigger. Then when you fell asleep I’d take the sword.

More money, more knowledge, more power, more control, more bitches, more weed. It’s just a matter of what makes you happy. If someone wants what you have, then they get it from you, then they’re better. I’m not trying to justify the phenomenon. I’m just pointing it out.

If you read the entire post there is a little bit more spoken about besides the topic of communism or Karl Marx. :wink:

This thread is my historical articulation of how utopianism and equality remains absent or dead. [-X

No, you’re right.

I just don’t see what’s inherently bad with equal pay amongst all citizens even if some are better than others?? The better ones are going to be rewarded in one way shape or form.

The problem is that the stupid people would form a gang of idiots and try and demand thier part of the reward no matter what form. Some people just don’t think they have to earn anything in life. Those people are communists.

Some commentary on the rest of what I said beyond the subject of communism would be greatly appreciated… :confused:

Yeah Joker, there’s no equality. And utopia isn’t even a real possibility. Those were the pipe dreams that Marx sold you. In the real world there are more people who want stuff than there is stuff to have. Even if there was enough stuff, everyone wants a surplus, (or enough people do) to prevent things from being equally distributed. Equality is what you look for in the world when you want to make sure that you’re beating the other guy. If things are equal, then you try and change that so that you have more than the other guy. That’s pretty much it. That’s why communism, socialism, and all those other hippy ideas don’t work.

People aren’t peaceful, and they don’t want to be fair. Everyone want to win, and some people are going to lose.

Marx was a hippy.

Agreed. That is the commentary I was looking for. :slight_smile:

Welcome to the age of social nihilism. :laughing: ( Tips his hat.)

( But to be fair Karl Marx’s critique of capitalism wasn’t all that nonsensical. I respect him for that much.)

Check this out if you can find it.

uab.edu/philosophy/faculty/a … rxbook.htm

I believe the best observation to make about Marx was that he forsaw the “evils” in a capitalisitic system. Basically, he knew that capitalism is going to bring out the “worst” in people–greed, corruption, huge masses of wealth, etc.

Regardless of his solution, capitalism moved forward, because the alternative wasn’t & isn’t realistic during our era.

If I were to receive medical training for several years, then how/why should I be paid the same as a janitor?? That just doesn’t really make sense.

On the ideological side, things have stayed the same. The social elite were in control back then and the social elite are in control now. Marx’s idea was meant to fight this master-slave domination, but it failed miserably. Oh well, I commend him for trying.

I don’t see any ideological solution to the world’s predominating downfalls (such as morality, hypocrisy, and the destruction of large masses of untouched-natural areas). The only solution I see in the future is a true enlightenment of the masses–a global Reneissance… That’s just my guess though, and a long-shot at that…

Where does there exist evidence or proof for this future renaissance of enlightenment and mass awakening that you speak of as if almost you are describing some grand plan and finality of this world?

Where is evidence or proof for such a propostion beyond your blind faith in hope?

It is quite inductive of you to make such a statement but with deductive reasoning in contrast there would be no proof or evidence for such a statement.

( I am not trying to be mean Realunoriginal by asking this question but I believe it is important to ask.)

People are becoming more reasonable; eventually I see that the masses will become more and more so. Everybody will eventually wake up from their dream worlds to see the world as it is.

I can’t predict what it will mean or do–I do not believe that it will necessary solve all of humanity’s “problems”, but the problems of the world and society as we know them, will become obsolete.

Religion will lose its grip more and more. Our animal selves will be realized more and more. Our reason will cut through all the lies and self-deceit more and more.

Sounds more like social hypocrisy than social nihilism.

– C.

I use them interchangeably.