The US should offer a deal to al qaeda and whatever other groups are attacking us. We will give you continual payments of money and tons of supplies and will pull out of Iraq, if you stop attacking us and the Iraqis. We tell them that if they attack us or the Iraqis just 1 time, we stop the payments and return to the way things are now. We use the money we were spending on the war to fund the making of the supplies through gov’t work programs to help counter the impending recession. The way I see it, there are two probable outcomes: It works and they stop attacking us, or it doesn’t work and they attack us anyway
First, let’s say it doesn’t work. We can always return to the method of aggressive force, though I think 60 years of history in Israel, and 20 or so elsewhere have shown that aggressive force does not work. We also would have at least been able to help the economy and curb the violence for a short time.
If it does work, and the extremests stop attacking us, then one of two things will most likely happen. The less likely outcome is that the extremests will share the money and supplies and build an educated and civilized society. The more likely outcome is that the a handful of leaders will keep everything for themselves, build a bunch of lavish palaces, piss off a lot of people, and start a bloody and costly civil war. As I see it, all of the most probable outcomes are great for the US.
Al Qaeda wouldn’t accept such a deal because they know that the US cannot be trusted. We’re all aware how the US likes to fund terrorist groups until there’s a conflict of interest, at which point they turn nasty.
The problem is that it was just such a policy that created al queda in the first place. The US wanted Russia out of Afganistan and needed a way to motivate people to fight them so they secretly funded a movement of islamic fundamentalism since it was islamic fundamentalism that preached that infidel invaders be fought to the death and war against them was a holy cause. It worked, millions of Muslims supported the fight in Afganistan and renewed their faith in Islam.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the US needed a new, more permanent enemy to justify its military and it just so happened that one was available.
The US created Al Queda and the rapid spread of Islamic fundamentalism and is now using this to engulf the entire world in a perpetual war. It also allows the US to continue its unquestioned spending on the military which is now more than the rest of world combined spends.
the problem is the lack of balls of the left wing “revolutionaries” in america. they constantly piss and moan about socialism and communism and everyone should be a slave to the government to be free and that the government will provide everything for everyone… lie upon lie upon lie…
the solution comes when the revolution starts and every revolutionary is slaughtered by the corporate death machine.
The problem is taht would never work and simplisticly overlooks the religion and politics of the issue. iraqis kill iraqis in giant numbers, this was going to happen whether or not the US invaded Iraq.
It seems to me that throwing money (especially at a terrorist organization) at a violent situation only makes things worse. The only thing that could really lead to cooperation is understanding. That’s not going to happen any time soon.
Besides, we’re already so in debt, why should we further ourselves in it? We’ve all seen the terrible turn the economy has taken. I say an isolationist approach, with diplomatic relations with other countries, is about the best we could try at this point. We can’t solve Iraq’s problems, and we can’t continue acting on a “don’t like it…well fuck you!” approach.
Funding terrorists MAY (though highly doubtful) solve our problems, but it would only increase more in the world (as per your second outcome). I’d rather not be so arrogant as to believe myself and my fellow citizens are the only people worth caring for.
Put yourself in your enemy’s shoes. They hate us and others not for monetary or land but, because we represent the demise of their belief and culture in their eyes. So sure they would take our money and be quiet for a bit on the outside. On the inside we have been giving them the rope to hang ourselves with. They will turn around and use all that we give them to destroy us and other weak countries. To hand them blood money shows cowardice in their eyes, we would be dirt. More so than we already are. When the strongest of your enemies pays tribute to you that means you are the superior one. You have the right and obligation to destroy the weaklings. That culture is about blood, honor, masculinity and war for their god. Their thought process is not like ours or many parts of the civilized world.
Guaranteed they would see it as tribute to their superiority. You would bolster their egos and hand them the rope to cause our hanging. We are far better off just hanging around there and letting them continue to blow themselves up with suicide bombings. They damage and kill more of their own than anything else. Know your enemy and how they think. Even if we walk away totally they would see it as cowardice and would continue to attack others around them and eventually come here in small groups or more to kill. They won’t stop till they are dead or we are. We and others not of their belief are a threat to that belief and we must die. Killing is their life and afterlife it is an honor to die that way.
read the propaganda and party rhetoric of the left in america…
the membership in the club for slaves to the government isn’t the problem (it is one of the two major parties), but the lack of courage to attempt to implement their tyranny…
Well the whole idea is contingent upon there being other motives than religious ones. As I said, there’s a good possibility it doesn’t work, and they keep attacking us, and then we are just right back where we started. There is no guarantee that they accept the deal.
I think that on the surface, this looks like a battle of dogmas, but it is really much deeper than that. I think that deep down it is really a few powerful and wealthy people using the plight of a large lower class in Arab worlds to push dogma on the people and to use them for their own gains. You notice that’s it’s never the leaders of these groups that are fighting or blowing themselves up - they’re always off hiding in caves and bunkers while the poor uneducated masses do their bidding. Perhaps if we just gave them those gains, they would have less need to exploit the people
And I don’t think the solution would worsen the debt, we would use the money we are using now in warfare.
I reject the notion that the US has, and still is, fostering terrorism in order to fuel the US war machine. While not impossible, it seems a completely irrational idea. If the current US economy is a measure of the success of such a plan, I’d say it was a dismal failure.
I don’t think they are capable of winning. They have been in the past but our military is not the powerhouse we remember. We romanticize our past victories and power but they aren’t the same any more. The type of warfare we want to engage in is not the same as the enemy. We will lose fighting our style verses theirs and we are unwilling to accept the consequences of fighting the type of warfare needed to defeat them. Our military is fighting a losing battle against al Qaeda.
I agree completely. For evidence, again, just look at Israel. They’ve been at it for decades, and have tried nearly everything, and still have not been able to stop it. Plus their army is way better trained than the US Army, especially in counter-terrorism
Exactly! Anyone who says that our military is not capable of defeating the enemy has thier head in the sand. The Surge is evidence of this. By all accounts the surge has been a HUGE military sucess. This is what happens when we actually try to complete the mission.
Ha! What a short sighted opinion. So when is the mission “Complete”? When there is NO more violence? That will never happen on our present course. Is it complete when there is some acceptably small level of remaining violence? Ok, so then we leave. You think that is the end? You think the terrorists are just going to give up? No. They will take some time, regroup and strike back. There are currently thousands of children being indoctrinated with hate for Western philosophy. These children won’t even be old enough to attack us for at least a decade. A “success” in Iraq is meaningless in the long term battle against terrorism. Again, I will point to the history of the Israeli Palestinian conflict for a perfect example. There have been plenty of lulls in the violence, but it always starts back up again. Violent Islamic fundamentalism is a dogma, and dogma can’t be killed with violence unless you kill every single believer, and that’s just not feasible.
Indoctrination into secularism or christianity/stealing their children might work, not that its a moral choice and not that i’d support it ever, but past that no am ount of violence will solve anything, unless they want to go that way themselves, which some countries have shown hints of.
Theocracy and religion is a threat to civilization, though, and its surprising we’ve made it this far without a huge clash of civilizations. Plainly put, much of that dogma exists for religious reasons not just political, and many parts of that dogma is incompatible with many of the freedoms we take for granted.
A lot of islamcis hate our freedoms and I hear so many people denying this and saying it isn’t a reason for aggression, well: BULL FUCKING SHIT. If they cared about freedom the cartoon uprising wouldn’;t have existed, if they loved our freedoms women wouldn’t be struggling under opression, they hate two of our freedoms very very very much, and theres many others you could point to.
america’s incest club probably has more members 
