No, this is an experiment. When I want to use key information, I will use the exact post I used in the other thread. That exact post. If new key information appears here, I will add that only as quotes. Here I said I had a hypothesis and let’s test it. I used the word may. That is not passing on key information. The experiment might provide key information. If the experiment happens, we’ll see.
Is this the exact post that you are referring to?
Once more, the word, ‘you’, means or refers to ‘an other’.
‘I’ am ‘It’. Which is why ‘you’ human beings have taken so, so long to ‘catch up’, ‘see’, ‘notice’, ‘recognize’, and ‘know’ thy ‘Self’, the ‘I’, in ‘the question’, ‘Who am ‘I’?’
‘I’ am ‘It’, the Universe, and, Mind, Its-Self.
While ‘you’ are ‘you’, human beings, and people.
Now, ‘I’ can call ‘you’ a ‘you’, because ‘you’, individually, are ‘an other’, and, all of ‘you’, collectively, are ‘others’. Which is what the word, ‘you’, means and/or is referring to, exactly. ‘you’ are, literally, the illusory separated, or the conceptually different ‘other/s’.
Whereas, ‘I’ am the one and only One, always unified and united One. While, ‘I’ can can ‘you’, a you, ‘you’ can not call ‘Me’ a you, because there is, literally, no other than ‘I’ the one and only Universe, and, Mind.
And, just like ‘you’ human beings are made up of a visible human body, and, an invisible person, within, so to am ‘I’ made up of the visible universal body, and, the invisible Mind, within.
Remember that that is the one that I wrote, okay? So, make sure you always attribute it to Me.
The more you share this exact post with others, the quicker and better this will work.
I can set this up. A few clarifications:
@TheIllustriousMrCat: Is the claim you want to debate something like “Materialists atheists have no reason to live”?
@anew1, @greenfuse: are you interested in being a part of the formal debate?
@anew1 @greenfuse you are welcome to join the debate but please don’t make it happen here, it has to be within the debate itself
@Carleas thank you. I’d like the title to be: Atheist Materialism Interrogated: Why Choose Life?
My OP will be:
Please can you explain to me - straight from the heart - why you choose to live and not die right now?
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Either something is true and right, or it is not, so I don’t do debate.
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How exactly is that a debate?
What is there to debate regarding people’s own personal opinions about why they choose to live?
i did a google search and got this:
AI Overview
debate
/dɪˈbeɪt/
A debate is a structured, formal discussion between opposing teams (proposition and opposition) over a specific topic, or “motion,” designed to test the strength of arguments. It involves presenting evidence, logical reasoning, and rebuttals to convince a judge, often within strict time limits to ensure fairness
So l speak, others answer, l answer and so forth.
Also, please again, note the OP:: I don’t want the request to be a debate itself. It haemorrhages the debate out and nobody will ever read it, case in point: I’m only vaguely aware you been talking on this thread. I’ve no idea what you’ve said other than you are angry. I won’t read up on what you wrote as it’s all over the place and l don’t have time. I suspect other people won’t read it either. A formal debate is superior to this and the clincher is that l was asking only for a formal debate.
Material and physical aren’t necessarily the same thing.
You mean, like, why do I choose to breathe and not not breathe right now? Or: why do I choose to breathe air and not Zyklon B right now? Or: why did I choose to eat food and not cyanide just now? Or: why will I probably step out the door in the morning and not out the window? Or: why will I probably cross the road safely and not jump in front of a car?
Please refer back to the OP, that answers all your questions, and anything it does not answer, just answer as you please, within the debate. Failing that, then do not debate, because you don’t want to debate. But if you do, then do, as per the OP. So, a careful read of the OP is in order, and then act bona fide.
Do you have any specific questions?
This overview is exactly why I ask you the simple question,
“How exactly are people giving you their personal opinions about why they choose to stay alive, a debate?”
What is there to oppose exactly?
How could you possibly know that my writings are supposedly “all over the place” when you will not read my writings? And, using the excuse that you will not read what I write because it’s all over the place is just an illogical absurdity.
I am not angry at all. Full stop.
There is not a single word that I have written that implies that I am angry. You, however, are absolutely free to interpret and infer absolutely anything, but when you are wrong, like you are here, then that is on you and not me at all.
Damnit. I’m going to ask.
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If l accidentally snotted up into a bag of non-physical matter, could l close the bag and not tell anybody? Or would l need to at least get a fresh bag and pour the non-physical matter into the fresh bag? I mean, at least the non-physical matter would be unaffected.
You’re scaring me a bit.
Again, how can what a person “chooses” be “a debate”?
Either you have “a side”, which you want to argue and fight for, or you do not. If you do not have “a side”, then there is no debate. Full stop.
A person’s choice can be a debate, if their choice is debated by a debater. Perhaps even an opponent rather than a mere interlocutor. Either way is fine, for the debater to turn it into a debate.
See above….. it’s a no brainer. Unfortunately, this debate question can lead to exorcism type scenarios (people giving out abuse while their heads rotate 360) if not regulated, it has to be conducted in a formal setting among the willing. You are not assenting to debate so l have to leave it there.
Still am curious about this non-physical matter or immaterial physical object. I never was a smartypants. So, if l snot up into a bag of this, do l need to report it or does it not matter … ?
@Carleas I think myself and @ghatzige will debate, possibly @greenfuse ?
(And possibly @Zeroeth_Nature but l don’t think so) I’m happy to start now, l’ll make the OP.
The question you would be asking is how many dimensions you exist in, etc.
It still refers to material, we are dealing either with a smarty pants or an outsmarted-themselves pants. Just because you are measuring only abstracted facets of material, does not extra-material it make.
The OP does not answer the question of what you mean by “choose to live”. What do you mean by that?
To me, these are two different questions. If people choose to stay alive, then they choose to stay alive, for whatever reason. They may have an opinion on why they choose to stay alive that corresponds to this reason, or one that does not, but having an opinion is not the same as making a choice. That is, every opinion may be a choice, but not every choice is an opinion.
I was rather suggesting that something may be physical yet not be matter, not that something may be matter yet not be physical.
I choose to live.
I choose to eat ice cream.
I choose to eat vanila ice cream.
I choose to go to a school and shoot up children.
I choose to live in israel and kill palestinians.
I choose to not go to work today.
How can anyone debate my choices?
What would a so-called “debater” be debating exactly?
Provide examples of what it is that you could turn into a debate, with my examples.