A small paper about free will

In existentialism free will is taken as a major premise. Without Free Will existentialism is a non-sensical theory. In this paper I will discuss why free will is false, and by extension providing a sufficient reason why existentialism is false.

Fist of all, free will is a dualistic philosophy, in that one’s mind is considered to be separate from one’s body. These two substances are seen as incompatible; not mixing, so not exerting any influence upon one another. Thus if body were to not have a mind, it would behave as causality dictates it to behave, in that for every sensation inputted, a predictable output reaction would ensue. But Free Will states that in the body there does exist a mind, a soul, a consciousness, a ghost in the shell, that dictates what the body does. As such, even though the body is composed of the same substance as everything else, it is still free to will will that is seemingly random thanks to the uninfluencable ghost’s ability to originate will. This ghost inside the machine has the capacity to will from self; will that is original to self; will that does not predate self, because self does not, or rather cannot, predate itself.

Clearly, this notion of free will is erroneous. One’s self–the body, mind, and the mind’s talents- are reactions to a will which is not it’s own; a universal will–creation ex nihilo raises more questions that it does answers. One becomes self-aware because nature makes it possible for man to be man self-aware, and one uses this talent of the mind (self-awareness) to interpret the body’s possibilities post-creation. This means that one is limited to the talents nature has created for them. Thus a person’s amount of choices in any given situation is one, even though to the self which is ignorant of influences being exerted upon it and also ignorance of self’s composition, the choices will seem as having an outcome possibility as more than one. In other words, if a die were tossed and in midair it gained consciousness it would see the outcome as having the possibility of landing one out of six sides, but to an observer having had information such as the force exerted upon the die, gravity’s pull on the die, the surface it lands on, et cetera, the possibility is clear to be one. Similarly, a person ignorant of the immediate forces acting upon him, as well as ignorant of the forces that created what he considers self, will see the possibilities of any given situation as more than one. If one is to assume a monism of the mind, in that the mind is composed of the same substance as the body, then one cannot help but be a determinist in that the mind’s talents, including the notion that one is self-aware, are created by nature. Nature dictates what stimuli the mind receives, and nature determines what actions result. In other words man is an agent of nature.

Free will can also be seen as flawed once one takes into account Einstein’s famous equation E=MC2, in which the universe is made up of one essential substance, energy. Thus the body–all of the body including the mind, is part of the whole—i.e. is the universe. As such, no one’s will can be traced back to one compartmentalized mass in time and space—i.e self. With this conclusion, responsibility for any single action even though that one action might have been seen as having been perpetrated by a single person, does not belong solely to an mass of space arbitrarily inferred to as “self.”

As always, opinoins, criticism, or suggestions are welcomed.

Not clear. Could you support why there is a universal will and there are not particular wills? It seems to be a linchpin in your argument.

I’m a fan of Schopenhauer, but not a follower.

mrn

My argument dismisses particulars in that since all is one substance there can be no compartmentalizations of this one substance, and more to the point since there can be no compartmentalizations of this substance, there is no will that belongs solely to one compartment. Will is the becoming interpreted erroneously as being compartmentalized.

Are you and I then the same substance (in number)?
Are we really at one in will with everyone?
That two people at odds, e.g. W. and S. Hussein, are at one in will is an interesting position, but it’s not immediately clear.

:laughing:

Similarly, don’t think about everything you believe.

May I suggest something i think might be sayable about this point anyway:

If there is a universal will, we do not all will according to it.
If we did will in accordance with it, we would be following the world of the moral/theological. This is submissiveness to God.

But not everyone submits.

my real name,

One is not coerced into willing one way instead of another, because there is no ghost inside the “one” to imagine willing any other way than the way that it is fated(“fate” in the Nietzschean sense for lack of a better word at the moment) for “one” to imagine.

How, then, do you explain the experience of the tense moment of choice? The having two alternatives and taking one rationally? If your doctrine were right, I’d expect life to be experienced as if watching a movie – which is only experienced when someone else is deciding for me.

But these could both be true if the will is actually moved to goodness by goodness. The choice would still be an internal choice, yet not a universe untethered by destiny. Goodness would decide.

my real name,

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Yes, if that someone is the pantheistic God–which would include one’s sense of self.

I’m not saying you don’t make a choice. I’m saying that choice is not yours. The options you pondered in your brain before you came to that choice as the concluding choice were not yours; not yours in originality, not yours to manipulate, and not yours to act upon. There is no you that is separate from the whole. There is a you that inacts (my word), but you do not hold sole responsibility for any one action. You are as much responsible for any given action you would normally think of as your own, as a supernovae that occurred some 7 billion years ago (in our measure of time) was. In other words you are no more responsible for an action you perceive as yours, than any other thing you might see as not-you. The not-you is as much as much of a part of what you do, as you do.

Prove it.

Suns are passive matter. And having conditions for a choice is not quite the same as having no choice.

This seems so wrapped up with positing a pantheistic God, I’m not quite sure whether the thesis is being proven from God, or God from the thesis.
Can you argue the existence of a pantheistic God, if necessary?
If the points merely support each other, it seems you do have a self-consistent hypothesis, but not a proof. I think I can present a hypothesis too.

my real name,

Obviously I cannot prove such a thing. Mine is a theory construed from such things as Einstein’s famous formula e=mc2–i.e. monism.

When I use the term God, I do so convey the idea of nature as a whole. I use the term God in the same way Spinoza did. The pantheistic God is not something separate from nature. The pantheistic God is another term for nature.

I agree wholeheartedly with the premises that you have presented. I would also like to add this: the essence of free will is not whether or not we “choose” our actions, but whether we could have “chosen” differently. I think this is a moot point, because it is fundamentally impossible to have chosen differently. We do what we do, for an innumerable number of reasons, but there is no real “choice” because there only exists one option: to do what we actually end up doing. To have done something else would be fundamentally impossible, because time is a linear process, not some sort of cosmic “choose your own adventure” novel.

alexpw62,

Interesting, and it’s precisely my point given a monistic universe.

How do you know that this free will doesn’t play a intricate part of this one binding substance of cosmos simaltaneously?

The cosmos is based upon the principles of modes and substances therefore it could be said that free will is just another mode.

I don’t think this is true at all. You seem to be describing a theistic idea of the “soul” not an atheistic idea of “mind”, which would normally be considered intrinsically linked to the physical brain in which it seems to reside.

The “energy” you talk about is expressed, or if you like exists, as matter. That matter “can be traced back to one compartmentalized mass in time and space”. In a deterministic universe, even one without free will, our actions could be traced back to a certain collection of “energy”(matter)

“Will” is the perview of conciounesses only. A rock has no means to choose its “actions”, as concious and independant entities we have the opportunity to act and the concept of action-result, that is the cornerstone of the concept of will. Whether or not we have sufficient control of our desires (wants) to warrant calling our actions an expression of “Free Will” is questionable, but what not, is that fact that we experience “free will” in ourselves and others daily. Any level of reality beyond experience is theorectical at best

Hello,
Joker

If you’re saying that the whole is autonomous therefore it’s becoming is not affected by an other, then I agree. The whole governs itself. If the whole was indeed conscious (i.e. panentheism) then it’s ‘will’ would be free of influence exerted upon it’s creation and action by a non-self–that is because there is nothing beside the whole. My point still remains though that parts compartmentalized from this whole and arbitrarily inferred to as self can not originate will.

I’m not sure I understand your position, though. If you could elaborate your objections some more I could then give you a better response.

Hello,
LukeRazor

Even so, this atheistic idea of the mind as being intrinsically linked to the physical body would have to have been self-creating out of nothing to not be affected by the autonomous substance outside the mind’s boundaries. Else, the mind would be as determined as anything else.

A rock can choose it’s actions no less than we can. We conscious beings can thank our memory and our ignorance of non-self, among other talents of the mind, for the misconception of the will as belonging solely to one ‘compartment’ of matter. Cause and effect is better stated as just correlation, in my opinion. A correlation between the self-apparent action and the self-apparent mass of matter(i.e. self).

Situation as seen by a person:
Man throws rock and hits a bird with rock.

I’m saying that the rock is as culpable in the hitting of the duck, as the person who threw it. As the rock was thrown into action, so too was the person. The rock had about as much of a choice in not doing the action as much as the rock did.

The initiation of ‘will’ cannot be traced back to one compartment, because compartments of the substance are purely arbitrary. This ‘will-to-hit-the duck with a rock’ was not initiated by any portion of the whole. It is a continuation of the whole’s becoming seen throw a very limited portion of the whole, by a very temporary ‘creature’ with very limited senses of perception and utility for understanding.

We mistakingly experience a feeling of culpability when in fact we are as culpable in our moves as a chess computer is in it’s.

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I have a good Spinozean dialogue for me to explain myself better.

Give me a couple of days to get it together.

The concept of one universal will is parallel to Christianity’s “God’s Will”, Divine Will, or “the will of the Father”. This is fine, but does not account for the diversity of human qualities. We humans and our differences are implicitly part of any discussion of divine or human will, therefore like the rainbow, the one universal will is divided up into a number of “sub-wills”, each one reflecting a quality of awareness (eternal, unchanging, and beyond evolving consciousness), and collectively representing our nine different spiritual purposes, which account for the great differences in the paths that we all follow.

The universal will is divided, as all things that are one must be. This viewpoint further highlights the fallacy of free will. The basic truth that all is mathematical – and i stress that this applies to ALL things, including the abstractions of mind, spirit, soul – implies that free will only exists as a delusion in the mind of those whose concept excludes an all-inclusive mathematical principle working behind and through all life. Those who cling to the philosophy of free will seek to advance the “culture of self”, and among them are the chief architects of the dehumanizing world industrial complex that is based on exploiting oppressed peoples to support the unsustainable material growth that provides profits and comfort for those few and their supporters. (This “evil” of course is unconscious, though my words might be interpreted otherwise; to oppose such is a waste of time.) In other words, the concept of free will does not support the essential spiritual worth and right to happiness of the average person, and furthers human degradation on a mass scale.

The determinist and the mathematician then, may understand each other or be one and the same person, and whether they are conscious of it (Einstein was) or not, support the divine essential nature of humanity with its need for fulfillment or happiness, and the concept that there is a God or set of universal principles which represent the universal will discussed here, according to my viewpoint. Those who favor free will, or human will as opposed to divine will, ultimately ruin their health and happiness through ego-fulfillment. Their useless, uninspired and miserable lives collectively create the mass ego, or the forces that demand conformity that are killing people as surely as major diseases like cancer. The fear of what will happen if one quits one’s job and can’t pay the mortgage is actually insidiously killing us slowly but surely. We spend most of our lives doing boring useless jobs, working for people whose intelligence and insight is less than ours, in a mental environment that has no regard for human happiness and the spiritual essence of men and women, which to ignore means insidious spiritual death just as certain as but just slower than a knife into the solar plexus.

Man can by no means be called free because he is able not to exist or not to use his reason, but only in so far as he preserves the power of existing and operating according to the laws of human nature. (Spinoza, Political Treatise, 1677)

The camel has his scheme and the camel driver has his. (Egyptian proverb)

There is no greater misfortunate than wanting something for oneself. (Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching, 46)

I desire not to desire, for my will is without value, since I am ignorant in any case. Therefore choose Thou for me what thou knowest to be best and do not put my perdition in what my autonomy and free choice prefer. (Bayazid Al-Bistami)

But will you shall not, unless God wills, the Lord of all being (Koran 81:29)

Let It Be. (The Beatles)

I agree with luxin’s post. Essentially, if one accepts the concept of ‘free will’ as valid (and I don’t), it’s about accountability. There’s a choice if you consider it in terms of morality and ethics – and there has to be acknowledgement of some form of ethics or morality in order to give life meaning – but in reality that choice is governed by knowledge of the true nature of ‘self’, and not by will. The mind, which erroneously conceives of “I”, will ultimately feel constrained by what it erroneously conceives to be “non-I”. The fight against this illusory constraint is ‘free will’.

In theistic religions, the laws of nature are recognized (determinism), but the morality of the religion creates a sort of escape clause: free will. It’s used to absolve a creator god of responsibility for the suffering that arises out of that god’s creation. Humans suffer (punishment) when they neglect their moral duty and choose to do the ‘wrong’ thing. In order not to suffer, believers are encouraged to jettison their own wills and accept the will of the god.