a thread for mundane ironists

[b]Lionel Shriver

Dr. Rhinestein did not test for malice, for spiteful indifference, or for congenital meanness. If they could, I wonder how many fish we might throw back.[/b]

My guess: A lot.

He’s one of those attorneys who think of the law as a game, not a morality play. I’m told that’s the kind you want.

Or: He’s one of those philosophers who think of life as a game, not a morality play. I’m told that’s the kind you want.

It was really rather wretched that you couldn’t will yourself to fall in love, for the very effort can keep falling at bay. Nor could you will yourself to stay that way. Least of all could you will yourself NOT to fall in love, for thus far whatever meager resistance she had put up had only made the compulsion more intense. So you were perpetually tyrannized by a feeling that came and went as it pleased, like a cat with its own pet door. How much more agreeable, if love were something that you stirred up from a reliable recipe, or elected, however perversely, to pour down the drain. Still, there was nothing for it. The popular expression notwithstanding, love was not something you made. Nor could you dispose of the stuff once manifested because it was inconvenient, or even because it was wicked, and ruining your life, and, by the by, someone else’s.

Then we are all in agreement: So much for love.

Accordingly, the one respect in which I depart from my younger self is that I now regard those people who have little or no story to tell themselves as terribly fortunate.

If [no doubt] grimly bored.

…it’s not all it’s cracked up to be, having real emotions. I know that with the most dazzling men there have been times I’ve been terribly bored and I am sure they’ve been equally bored with me. Then much of life is indeed boring, and that’s nobody’s fault…Myself, I’ve been in the very arms of a beloved and felt nothing, when the only choice was whether to admit I felt nothing or to lie. The hardest thing about loving someone is those moments when you’re not. And there are inevitably such moments; the amount of trust required to get past them is stupendous.

One more thing that either is or is not true. And probably both.

And one of our consuming diversions as we age is to recite, not only to others but to ourselves, our own story.

Just to be sure we still remember it. Or still want to.

[b]Jim Harrison

Imagine if Congress were actually knowledgeable of American history.[/b]

They’d still have to choose sides. And, among other things, conflicting goods.

After dinner the Texan invited Cochran to accompany him to a whorehouse but he declined saying he’d feed, walk and water the horse.
Strikes me you had a big day and some poontang might ease your mind.
Nope. Killed a man I hated today and I don’t want to mix my pleasures. I want to lay in bed and think how good it felt.
The Texan nodded and lit a cigar. He was no man’s fool.

Priorities as it were.

A movement in the vines startled her and an opossum scurried out, looked at Clare and flopped over in fake death. She had seen this twice before in her garden back home and it was difficult not to draw certain parallels, amusing ones, though if you played dead long enough the act of coming back to life was questionable.

If the shoe fits, right?

Goddamn but her mind was so exhausted with trying to hold the world together, tired of being the living glue for herself, as if if she let go, great pieces of her life would shatter and fall off in mockery of the apocalypse.

I am so in sync with that. In fact, it’s time for another distraction.

Above all, do not lose your desire to walk: every day I walk myself into a state of well-being and walk away from every illness; I have walked myself into my best thoughts, and I know of no thought so burdensome that one cannot walk away from it . . . but by sitting still, and the more one sits still, the closer one comes to feeling ill. Thus if one just keeps on walking, everything will be all right.

And then one day there you are…walking around and around in circles.

Much earlier in this century an Austrian journalist, Karl Kraus, pointed out that if you actually perceived the true reality behind the news you would run, screaming, into the streets. I have run screaming into the streets dozens of times but have always managed to return home in time for dinner—and usually an hour early so that I can help in the preparation.

In other words, one way or the other, there’s not much that you can do about it. Besides, if you try, you’ll probably only make things worse.

[b]Nein

I’ll be visiting a surveillance museum today. But you already knew that.[/b]

Of course these days we really do wonder who knows what about us.

Yes, we’ll say. Satire. It was the closest thing we had to truth.

Either that or irony.

Let’s be honest: we liked each other better as algorithms.

Trust me: not applicable to all of us.

An error message. In a bottle.

Virtually as it were.

Write every tweet as if it were your last, he told me. Then wait.

Or: Breathe every breath as if it were your last, he told me. Then wait.

1. Tweet a tweet with typo.
2. Delete tweet with typo.
3. Tweet again without typo.
4. Feel magic slowly die.
5. Never tweet again.

Or [at the very least] not until your next tweet.

[b]Chuck Palahniuk

We opened our hearts. Hear me, heal me, save me, believe me.[/b]

So, how’s that working out for you?

The first time we meet another person an insidious little voice in our heads says, “I might wear eyeglasses or be chunky around the hips or a girl, but at least I’m not Gay or Black or a Jew.” Meaning: I may be me—but at least I have the good sense not to be you.

So, how’s that working out for you?

You think maybe if you just work harder and faster, you can hold off the chaos, but then one day you’re changing a patio light bulb with a five-year life span and you realize how you’ll only be changing this light maybe ten more times before you’ll be dead.

It’s what you call an epiphany.

“A woman eats to feed her pussy." Meaning: Anything we do to excess is in compensation for not getting a minimum amount of sexual gratification.

Let’s trade lists of what we do.

A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

Or two if you’re lucky.

The government says Rant’s alive because they need a villain. The kids say he’s alive because they need a hero.

Me? Fuck Rant.

[b]Robert A. Heinlein

The trouble with conspiracies is that they rot internally.[/b]

Not counting the ones that didn’t of course.

I see the beauty of Mike’s attempt to devise an ideal ethic and applaud his recognition that such must start by junking the present sexual code and starting fresh. Most philosophers haven’t the courage for this; they swallow the basics of the present code–monogamy, family pattern, continence, body taboos, conventional restrictions on intercourse, and so forth–then fiddle with details…even such piffle as discussing whether the female breast is an obscene sight!

Philosophers and courage? How about philosophers and imagination? A sexual code [for some of them] being the least of it.

Unless you intend to kill him immediately thereafter, never kick a man in the balls.

Either that or chain him to the wall. In a dungeon for example.

Drop dead—but first get a permit.

The mother of all bureaucracies.

The way to find justice is to deal fairly with other people and not worry about how they deal with you.

In other words, in la la land.

A desire not to butt into other people’s business is at least eighty percent of all human ‘wisdom’…and the other twenty percent isn’t very important.

Of course we more or less invite people to do that here.

[b]Jan Mieszkowski

The Internet will radically transform
2000: thinking
2005: loving
2010: learning
2012: getting a cab
2016: frittering away time until we die[/b]

Let’s file this one under, “Bingo!”

German philosophy: What is the Being of beings?
French philosophy: What is the force of signification?
American philosophy: Do you Yahoo?

You know, as a bot.

French philosophy: Mind or body?
German philosophy: Will or whim?
British philosophy: Causal or casual?
American philosophy: Coke or Pepsi?

And make mine a diet please.

Ancient philosophy: Atoms and void
Medieval philosophy: God and void
Modern philosophy: Click Agree or your iTunes purchase is null and void

Postmodern philosophy: Who pays for tunes?

Ask A Philosopher: What is my duty?
Ancient: To fulfill your purpose
Enlightenment: To respect the law
Modern: To write in Times New Roman

Indeed, let’s make it the only option.

[b]How To Discuss Bernie And Hillary With Friends And Family

  1. Put your thoughts on a piece of paper
  2. Burn it
  3. Muse about the weather[/b]

Or, sure, skewer Trump.

[b]Salman Rushdie

We must agree on what matters: kissing in public places, bacon sandwiches, disagreement, cutting-edge fashion, literature, generosity, water, a more equitable distribution of the world’s resources, movies, music, freedom of thought, beauty, love.[/b]

The bastard left out philosophy! And masturbation!!

…we can best understand the nature of this culture if we say that it found its truest mirror in a corpse…

Of course: We think it’s theirs, they think it’s ours.

The only people who see the whole picture are the ones who step outside the frame.

You know, whatever that is.

A man who sets out to make himself up is taking on the Creator’s role, according to one way of seeing things; he’s unnatural, a blasphemer, an abomination of abominations. From another angle, you could see pathos in him, heroism in his struggle, in his willingness to risk: not all mutants survive. Or, consider him socio-politically: most migrants learn, and can become disguises. Our own false descriptions to counter the falsehoods invented about us, concealing for reasons of security our secret selves.

“I” on steroids.

The world is not ideas, rich kid, the world is things. If you have things, you have time to dream, if you don’t…you’ll fight.

He thought back to when folks actually did.

Human life was rarely shapely, only intermittently meaningful, its clumsiness the inevitable consequence of the victory of content over form, of what and when over how and why.

The renditions now being in the hundreds. Sure, including mine.

[b]Leo Tolstoy

Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.[/b]

Or [for some] that they can be changed. At all for example.

All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.

Indeed, my own might have set a few records.

It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.

Worse: that goodness exists at all. You know, “outside your head”.

If, then, I were asked for the most important advice I could give, that which I considered to be the most useful to the men of our century, I should simply say: in the name of God, stop a moment, cease your work, look around you.

So, is that more or less relevant in our post-modern world?

We can know only that we know nothing. And that is the highest degree of human wisdom.

Has there ever been an intellectual that did not note this?

Is it really possible to tell someone else what one feels?

Or: Is it really possible to tell someone else what one thinks?
Here for example.

[b]Sigmund Freud

In mourning it is the world which has become poor and empty; in melancholia it is the ego itself.[/b]

Now there’s a distinction that can be, among other things, brutal.

Anatomy is destiny.

Or close enough, right?

One thing only do I know for certain and that is that man’s judgments of value follow directly his wishes for happiness—that, accordingly, they are an attempt to support his illusions with arguments.

Shhh. Let’s keep that to ourselves, okay?

It is a predisposition of human nature to consider an unpleasant idea untrue, and then it is easy to find arguments against it.

Shhh. Let’s keep that to ourselves, okay?

The dream is the liberation of the spirit from the pressure of external nature, a detachment of the soul from the fetters of matter.

Indeed, that may be exactly what it is.

America is the most grandiose experiment the world has seen, but, I am afraid, it is not going to be a success.

I suspect that approximately 1% will disagree. For sure as it were.

[b]Ian McEwan

…one could drown in irrelevance.[/b]

And then some.

I’ll wait for you. Come back.
The words were not meaningless, but they didn’t touch him now.
It was clear enough - one person waiting for another was like an arithmetical sum, and just as empty of emotion.
Waiting.
Simply one person doing nothing, over time, while another approached. Waiting was a heavy word.

And we’re all probably waiting for someone who is not waiting for us.

We go on our hands and knees and crawl our way towards the truth.

Our truth, for example, not theirs.

It is quite impossible these days to assume anything about people’s educational level from the way they talk or dress or from their taste in music. Safest to treat everyone you meet as a distinguished intellectual.

Obviously not from around my neck of the woods.

When there are no consequences, being wrong is simply a diversion.

And sometimes not even that.

When they kissed she immediately felt his tongue, tensed and strong, pushing past her teeth, like some bully shouldering his way into a room. Entering her.

Fucking men. Though, sure, the occasional woman.

[b]Existential Comics

“Platonic Love” should mean when you thought you were in love but it turns out that she was just a shadow on the wall.[/b]

Either that or you wish she had just been.

If I had to call one philosopher to help me get rid of a body at 3 am, well…Dostoyevsky counts as a philosopher, right?

Sure.
In fact [for some] he may be the only one.

You are on a trolley. On one track is one person, on the other track is five people. But all five of them don’t like your tweets…

Or [here]: You are on a trolley. On one track is one person, on the other track is five people. But all five of them don’t like your posts…

I can quit Twitter any time I want. What I can’t do is want to quit.

On the other hand, what isn’t that applicable to?

We understand reality through:
Locke: the senses
Wittgenstein: language
Popper: science
Hegel: the dialectic
Descartes: evil demons probably

Now, choose the one least likely to be true.

As a philosopher I love wisdom, but lately wisdom has been asking me to do things in bed that I’m frankly not comfortable with.

Fifty shades of “fuck that!”

[b]Patricia Highsmith

What could be duller than past history! Therese said, smiling. Maybe futures that won’t have any history.[/b]

Or none that we’ll be around to remember.

Honesty, for me, is usually the worst policy imaginable.

At the very least it can get tricky.

This is what I like, sitting at a table and watching people go by. It does something to your outlook on life. The Anglo-Saxons make a great mistake not staring at people from a sidewalk table.

Must be an acquired taste. Either that or a sign of senility.

Was it love or wasn’t it that she felt for Carol? And how absurd it was that she didn’t even know. She had heard about girls falling in love, and she knew what kind of people they were and what they looked like. Neither she nor Carol looked like that. Yet the way she felt about Carol passed all the tests for love and fitted all the descriptions.

Of course this was back in the fifties. And that matters, right?

Was life, were human relations like this always, Therese wondered. Never solid ground underfoot. Always like gravel, a little yielding, noisy so the whole world could hear, so one always listened, too, for the loud, harsh step of the intruder’s foot.

Well, maybe not in the Garden of Eden.

Her life was a series of zigzags. At nineteen, she was anxious.

And then one day the zigzags stop. And you start going around and around in circles.

[b]Thomas Harris

Nothing made me happen. I happened.[/b]

You know, “thrown into existence at birth”. And then [of course] all that this implies.

Being smart spoils a lot of things, doesn’t it?

For example, self-delusions. Well, if you’re smart enough.

The tragedy is not to die, but to be wasted.

Here’s the thing though: the less that you waste it, the harder it is to lose it.
Go ahead, give that some thought.

I think it’s easy to mistake understanding for empathy - we want empathy so badly. Maybe learning to make that distinction is part of growing up. It’s hard and ugly to know somebody can understand you without even liking you.

In other words, the more you understand some the more you understand yourself. And that’s the part you don’t like.

Are you looking for sympathy? You’ll find it in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

By definition as it were.

I collect church collapses, recreationally. Did you see the recent one in Sicily? Marvelous! The facade fell on sixty-five grandmothers at a special mass. Was that evil? If so, who did it? If he’s up there, he just loves it, Officer Starling. Typhoid and swans - it all comes from the same place.

Another gem they left out of the movie.

[b]Ursula K. Le Guin

Do you see, Arren, how an act is not, as young men think, like a rock that one picks up and throws, and it hits or misses, and that’s the end of it. When that rock is lifted, the earth is lighter; the hand that bears it is heavier. When it is thrown, the circuits of the stars respond, and where it strikes or falls the universe is changed.[/b]

My guess: Not by much.

Happiness is based on a just discrimination of what is necessary, what is neither necessary nor destructive, and what is destructive.

For “one of us” as it were.

My great-aunt said nobody under 18 had any business reading Dickens. She was right.

Unless of course you were assigned it in high school. Fortunately, I wasn’t.

You fear them because you fear death, and rightly: for death is terrible and must be feared, the mage said. And life is also a terrible thing.

Life and death. Got it. Anything else?

They can send death at once, but life is slower…

And it can seem even slower than that.

For if it’s all the rest of us who are killed by the suicide, it’s himself whom the murderer kills; only he has to do it over, and over, and over.

Yep, that must be how you tell them apart.

[b]Michael Cunningham

Most of us are safe. If you’re not a delirious dream the gods are having, if your beauty doesn’t trouble the constellations, nobody’s going to cast a spell on you.[/b]

Right, like that’s our chief concern.

The problem with the truth is, it’s so often mild and clichéd.

Almost as though some intend it to be.

It’s hardly ever the destination we’ve been anticipating, is it? Our hopes may seem unrealized, but we were in all likelihood hoping for the wrong thing. Where did we - the species, that is - pick up that strange and perverse habit?

Well, among other things, it’s built right into the American dream.

You know what I am? he says.
What?
I’m an ordinary person.
Come on.
I know. Who isn’t an ordinary person? How horribly presumptuous to want to be anything else. But I have to tell you. I’ve been treated as something special for so long and I’ve tried my hardest to be something special but I’m not. I’m not exceptional. I’m smart enough, but I’m not brilliant and I’m not spiritual or even all that focused. I think I can stand that, but I’m not sure if the people around me can.

I wonder if I’m an ordinary person, he thought. He not being me of course.

She’s had a long life. Now she’s going to the Lord.
Frankly it creeps me out a little when you say things like that, Simon said.
It shouldn’t. If you don’t like ‘Lord,’ pick another word. She’s going home. She’s going back to the party. Whatever you like.
I suppose you have some definite ideas about an afterlife.
Sure. We get reabsorbed into the earthly and celestial mechanism.
No heaven?
That’s heaven.
What about realms of glory? What about walking around in golden slippers?
We abandon consciousness as if we were waking from a bad dream. We throw it off like clothes that never fit us right. It’s an ecstatic release we’re physically unable to apprehend while we’re in our bodies. Orgasm is our best hint, but it’s crude and minor by comparison.

The debate goes on…

It’s impossible to imagine, isn’t it? Most men probably go through the same motions, more or less, but what’s in their minds, what agitates their blood? What could be more mortifyingly personal, what veers closer to the depths, than whatever it is that makes us come? If we knew, if we could see what’s in the cartoon balloons over other guy’s heads as they jerk off, would we be moved, or repelled?

Moved. Any of you ever been moved?

[b]Dr. Seuss

I would not eat them here or there. I would not eat them anywhere. I would not eat green eggs and ham.
[/b]
Unless, of course, you would.

I would not like them here or there. I would not like them. Anywhere.

Tom and Mary have an abortion.

I do not like them, Sam-I-am. I do not like Green eggs and ham.

To wit, what on earth, does this mean. Sans god, words defining and defending other words.

[b]von rivers

I am a river to my people.[/b]

All one of them.

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[b]Arundhati Roy

She viewed ethnic cleansing, famine and genocide as direct threats to her furniture.[/b]

Well, we all have to draw the line somewhere.

From now on it is not dying we must fear, but living.

You either reach this part or you don’t.

Do we need weapons to fight wars? Or do we need wars to create markets for weapons?

I’ll take a stab at it: both?

He claimed to be writing a Family Biography that the Family would have to pay him not to publish.

Now that’s particularly clever.

The sky was thick with TV. If you wore special glasses you could see them spinning through the sky among the bats and homing birds—blondes, wars, famines, football, food shows, coups d’état, hairstyles stiff with hair spray. Designer pectorals. Gliding towards Ayemenem like skydivers. Making patterns in the sky. Wheels. Windmills. Flowers blooming and unblooming.

Let’s file this one under, “I get the picture”.

When the twins asked what cuff-links were for—“To link cuffs together,” Ammu told them—they were thrilled by this morsel of logic in what had so far seemed an illogical language. Cuff+link = cuff-link. This, to them, rivaled the precision of logic and mathematics. Cuff-links gave them an inordinate if exaggerated satisfaction, and a real affection for the English language.

All well and good, perhaps, but I’ll never wear them.

[b]Walker Percy

You can get all A’s and still flunk life.[/b]

Now that’s philosophy.

The difference between a non-suicide and an ex-suicide leaving the house for work, at eight o’clock on an ordinary morning:
The non-suicide is a little traveling suck of care, sucking care with him from the past and being sucked toward care in the future. His breath is high in his chest.
The ex-suicide opens his front door, sits down on the steps, and laughs. Since he has the option of being dead, he has nothing to lose by being alive. It is good to be alive. He goes to work because he doesn’t have to.

Anyway, imagine it not being an option in this world. And all the other ones probably.

The peculiar predicament of the present-day self surely came to pass as a consequence of the disappointment of the high expectations of the self as it entered the age of science and technology. Dazzled by the overwhelming credentials of science, the beauty and elegance of the scientific method, the triumph of modern medicine over physical ailments, and the technological transformation of the very world itself, the self finds itself in the end disappointed by the failure of science and technique in those very sectors of life which had been its main source of ordinary satisfaction in past ages.
As John Cheever said, the main emotion of the adult Northeastern American who has had all the advantages of wealth, education, and culture is disappointment.
Work is disappointing. In spite of all the talk about making work more creative and self-fulfilling, most people hate their jobs, and with good reason. Most work in modern technological societies is intolerably dull and repetitive.
Marriage and family life are disappointing. Even among defenders of traditional family values, e.g., Christians and Jews, a certain dreariness must be inferred, if only from the average time of TV viewing. Dreary as TV is, it is evidently not as dreary as Mom talking to Dad or the kids talking to either.
School is disappointing. If science is exciting and art is exhilarating, the schools and universities have achieved the not inconsiderable feat of rendering both dull. As every scientist and poet knows, one discovers both vocations in spite of, not because of, school. It takes years to recover from the stupor of being taught Shakespeare in English Lit and Wheatstone’s bridge in Physics.
Politics is disappointing. Most young people turn their backs on politics, not because of the lack of excitement of politics as it is practiced, but because of the shallowness, venality, and image-making as these are perceived through the media–one of the technology’s greatest achievements.
The churches are disappointing, even for most believers. If Christ brings us new life, it is all the more remarkable that the church, the bearer of this good news, should be among the most dispirited institutions of the age. The alternatives to the institutional churches are even more grossly disappointing, from TV evangelists with their blown-dry hairdos to California cults led by prosperous gurus ignored in India but embraced in La Jolla.
Social life is disappointing. The very franticness of attempts to reestablish community and festival, by partying, by groups, by club, by touristy Mardi Gras, is the best evidence of the loss of true community and festival and of the loneliness of self, stranded as it is as an unspeakable consciousness in a world from which it perceives itself as somehow estranged, stranded even within its own body, with which it sees no clear connection.
But there remains the one unquestioned benefit of science: the longer and healthier life made possible by modern medicine, the shorter work-hours made possible by technology, hence what is perceived as the one certain reward of dreary life of home and the marketplace: recreation.
Recreation and good physical health appear to be the only ambivalent benefits of the technological revolution.

Lost in the cosmos indeed!

The search is what anyone would undertake if he were not sunk in the everydayness of his own life. To become aware of the possibility of the search is to be onto something. Not to be onto something is to be in despair.

Unless of course you’re onto despair. And not necessarily by choice.

It’s one thing to develop a nostalgia for home while you’re boozing with Yankee writers in Martha’s Vineyard or being chased by the bulls in Pamplona. It’s something else to go home and visit with the folks in Reed’s drugstore on the square and actually listen to them. The reason you can’t go home again is not because the down-home folks are mad at you–they’re not, don’t flatter yourself, they couldn’t care less–but because once you’re in orbit and you return to Reed’s drugstore on the square, you can stand no more than fifteen minutes of the conversation before you head for the woods, head for the liquor store, or head back to Martha’s Vineyard, where at least you can put a tolerable and saving distance between you and home. Home may be where the heart is but it’s no place to spend Wednesday afternoon.

Absolutely true. But, still, in my case, absolutely beside the point.

They all think any minute I’m going to commit suicide. What a joke. The truth of course is the exact opposite: suicide is the only thing that keeps me alive. Whenever everything else fails, all I have to do is consider suicide and in two seconds I’m as cheerful as a nitwit. But if I could not kill myself – ah then, I would. I can do without nembutal or murder mysteries but not without suicide.

Sooner or later the truly perceptive get around to this. If not cheerfully.

[b]Jeffrey Eugenides

He was filled with embarrassment: embarrassment for the human race, its preoccupation with money, its love of swindle.[/b]

He’ll soon get over that. You know, or else.

Shit. What have kids got to be worried about now? If they want trouble, they should go live in Bangladesh.

Remember when that used to work?

But this was the thought of a depressive. An aspiring depressive, at the time. That was the odd thing about Leonard’s disease, the almost pleasurable way it began. At first his dark moods were closer to melancholy than to despair. There was something enjoyable about wandering around the city alone, feeling forlorn. There was even a sense of superiority, of being right, in not liking the things other kids liked.

Some of us course will take it to the grave.

Great discoveries, whether of silk or gravity, are always windfalls. They happen to people loafing under trees.

Apple trees for example.

This whole country’s stolen.

Trust me: Applicable to some more than others.

We realized that the version of the world our parents rendered for us was not the world they really believed in, and that for all their caretaking and bitching about crabgrass they didn’t give a damn about lawns.

Especially if they are keeping up with the Joneses. And mine more or less had to.