I believe we have expanded the space of consideration here in ways that would require too much effort to rope it all back into the same plane. But that’s ok, I think we fundamentally agree. I do agree with your point and find it relevant that a dog cannot do logic in a mental space like humans can do. That would mean, assuming we accept my differentiation between logic at the level of biological unconscious structure and logic as consciously intended and known applied process, that dogs only have possible access to the first of these possible cases of logic while humans have access to both possible cases.
What I’m saying isn’t necessarily about the dog - even if you told a human “there’s a bone buried in this field, you have one try to dig it up”, there’s not much there for the human to go away and ponder either. He can’t logically deduce the one true unique answer, whether he’s a dog or a person, because there’s no information to deduce from, right?
But you can deduce the one unique answer of my puzzle.
“He can’t logically deduce the one true unique answer” exactly. That is basically my point, it’s not really about logic. To the extent logic is really about deduction.
Your puzzle is a more refined version of the bone in the yard problem. The bone in the yard problem requires random searching for its processes of elimination, whereas yours requires understanding the conditions and using those to draw a more nuanced mapping of the situation only afterwards would be applied processes of elimination.
Do you agree that it must be that the guy in door 2 has grey hair, even though that is not a stated clue?
I haven’t worked out the details so I can’t agree or disagree.
Look at clue 12, and then look at clue 8. It is logic to conclude that the guy in door 2 has grey hair.
I trust you. I wasn’t intending on working through the puzzle anyway. I am more interested to see what people come up with in regard to the Surprise Quiz logic problem that I posted earlier here.
I’m just pointing out how you solve the puzzle using logic.
“IF” the oil painter lives in door 1, “AND” the oil painter lives next to the guy with grey hair, “THEN” the guy with grey hair MUST live in door 2.
If I had more time, then I would point out how there are conflicting yada yadas making the puzzle unsolvable… I would do that process of elimination thing and run through again with a spreadsheet with all the options in every category….still using the props for positional stuff, because I haven’t met a spreadsheet that lets you move things around without moving more around than you wanted to. I would freeze the details that can’t change because they are fixed by the rules, and make all the other deductions movable around them. Then you would have a clear picture of why it wouldn’t work.
Assuming I’m right that it wouldn’t work.
But I have other details that I need to focus on when I have free time, and I’ve already spent enough time on this. It was fun. Thanks. It’s not you, it’s me.
I upvote your downvote.
Thanks Captain Obvious. I never realized.
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Einstein wrote this riddle early during the 19th century. He said 98% of the world could not solve it. Its not hard, you just need to pay attention and be patient.
Be more like Einstein… ; )
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I wonder if Einstein would agree with that attribution? 
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