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having an imagination can be torture

i find myself annoyed with the way bastard hopes keep wiggling so many impossible future scenarios in my face all the time

this is the point where somebody starts talking about the virtues of aspiring

all i have to say to that is that aspiration can be a hard thing to fake when you’re not feeling it

how much of successful willing is simply the belief that it’s possible to successfully will something in the first place?

this is the point where someone accuses those who don’t share in that belief of being lazy

well all i have to say to that is i didn’t make myself lazy, fate did

“congratulations”, someone says “you’ve just assured for yourself your own failure”

No, fate did that - all i have to do is see it through

that’s self-destructive

again, fate

belief in will is the same way, it’s a cyclical logical trap which minds fall into - both the belief in determinism and belief in free will are characterized by the way they invite absolutism

so is fatalistic thinking a trap? of course - but my mind is chemically inclined towards absolutism, so the fact that i think this way is ALSO fate playing itself out in physically , just like anything else that happens

fortunately for my innate laziness, i am also a materialist

it’s just another card in the hand that fate dealt me

so free will or determinism - does it even matter? just take whatever preferred mode of thinking works best for what we’re trying to acheive (descriptively or otherwise) by utilizing a specific vocabulary in the first place - logically, you shouldn’t believe in either to the exclusion of the other

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JOAT( Jack Of All Trades) is a bitch it can wear you down and make you feel like you are lazy and do not aspire to anything. My guess is that you have a knack for many things but not the interest to settle on one thing?

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i really only believe myself to be good at a few things

location: stuck in permenant maternal mode - i love it, Kris - it’s a wonderful way for a person to be

or at least, wonderful for people around you, if perhaps not always for you

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Being good and having a knack are two different things my friend. Perhaps you just have not found the one or two things you love to do.

:laughing: Yes, being stuck in maternal mode does have its drawbacks for me but, I would rather have my maternal mode than freedom of it. Family is and has always been important and the most wonderful thing in my life.

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Some see endless possibilities arround every corner. Others only see problems down the line for every possibility, and can will only the one that is the most likely, necessary even. Both have their drawbacks, i’ve rarely seen a good balance. Maybe these are two complete different ways of thinking, of looking at things, that don’t mix well.

I’m lazy too, or maybe you could call it smart. I’m having a hard time making up my mind on this one.

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Wow.

All I have to say to this is, you’re giving “fate” a whole lot of credit, here.

“Life isn’t about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.”

~Shaw

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There you go then create yourself into a niche that you are happy with and screw whatever anyone thinks about it. Soon enough they will be coming to you and asking what your secrets are for happiness.

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you guys make it sound easy - easier said than done, i think

do really think we can overcome fate?

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Nobody said creating yourself is easy. It’s not. Changing yourself is the hardest thing you will ever do. I don’t think, though, that it has anything to do with overcoming fate. Fate does not exist.

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Blurred I would have to disagree on fate, I don’t believe in omnipotent beings or magic or such like that but, I think there maybe is something that does occur that maybe called fate. I just think we don’t understand the science of it yet. In my case as a little girl on into my late teens there was a man constantly in my dreams I saw him clean shaven, bearded, I saw him angry, happy etc. I got to know this man in my dreams. Then he stopped showing up in my dreams. About half a year later my best friend set me up on a blind date, As I turned the corner there was the man that I had dreamt about all of my life, he was my blind date. this sent shivers up my back, If he had not been so drunk he would have recognized me that night as the redhead he had been searching for.
Over 25 years later we are still going strong and happily married. Something set us up. We did not even live in the same part of the country growing up, He is 9 years older than me. Our families did not know each other. Our son was conceived the night we finally agreed to marry, it was the only night until we were married 5 months later that we had intercourse. So how could we both have experienced each other before meeting each other? Some sort of unexplained energy? We could call it fate. Our life may be rare but not unheard of. I have met other people that have unexplainable occurances that could be only chalked up to fate if we can call it that. You probably have met people like that. Fate may just be an unexplained energy connected to time or something.

Or one very busy very superior sentient being :smiley:

Ugly, If fate does happen its there to benifit not harm. Its up to us to understand our choices and to make the right one. If there is fate, it can only produce a path, It can’t make you walk that path. I chose to walk the path and trust me that was a hard path to choose. Its not what I wanted, I wanted the path I had made for myself. If you are stuck then you just are not understanding or seeing a path that is probably right under your nose. We all tend to be blind from time to time. Sometimes we just need to take a step back.

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Kris, if all of this is true, you present a very good argument in favor of fate. Or perhaps there is an omnipotent being guiding you, placing you in certain situations after giving you some not-so-subtle hints as to the right choice to make when you got there. shrug I’m not 100% positive either way, but I found this little story you’ve shared with me very compelling.

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Its true every last bit of it. And I would not change things for anything . I love this path and I have my soul filled with my husband. Make no mistake I chose it, nothing forced me. The path I wanted was a darn fine path. I would have been happy on it as well. It was my love for my husband that nudged me. He was the sentient being :smiley:

I personally feel that "fate"can be found as some quantifiable energy involved with dimensions and time. A science, not some mojo magic thing. Perhaps it is sentient controlled, I don’t know. I do know we have a long way to go before we understand every energy and everything in this universe of ours. I have always thought it the height of ego to think we are the only sentient creatures in this universe. We have such diversified life on this planet. Other planets had to have existed or do exist with life. Time is endless. We have come so far in such a short time compared to how long this universe has existed. I doubt this earth is the first or only planet with diverse life forms. Evolution can cause wonderous changes.

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Is it altogether close-minded of me to avoid spending too much time thinking about the possibility of intelligent life on other planets? :laughing: I don’t doubt that it’s not only possible, it’s probable, but you hit the nail on the head when you said we have a long way to go before we understand. To try to comprehend the universe and all of the life and energies it contains is too baffling for me. I’ll content myself with attempting to understand a fraction of “everything.” I’m just a small-town girl from Wisconsin, after all :smiley:

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:laughing: I am right there with you. I too am quite contented learning a fraction, that is enough for a small town girl from Arizona now transplanted to the country in the middle of nowhere Mississippi :laughing:
I don’t think its closed minded at all. Thinking about the possibilities could lead to a burn out of the mind, I would call it self defense :smiley:

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Ah, this could be called off-subject, but thinking of aliens and such brings to mind a line from a Kevin Smith movie (yes, I love Kevin Smith, I don’t care what that makes me LoL)

“You know, sometimes I wish I did a little more with my life instead of hanging out in front of places selling weed and shit. Like, maybe be an animal doctor. Why not me? I like seals and shit. Or maybe an astronaut. Yeah. Like, be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy, or find a new alien life form. And fuck it. And people’d be like, ‘There he goes. Homeboy fucked a martian once.’”

Jay in Clerks 2

:laughing: I’m sorry, my brain is a little A.D.D. today. I had to share.

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I don’t believe in fate either, at least not the esoteric kind. It’s just circumstances, a lot of them, we don’t have control over. I see a lot of people trying to controle their destiny, trying to “create” themselves into their ideal, and failing somewhere half way and being more miserable then when they started.

Often someone who is succesful will say something along the lines of " i didn’t plan to get here, this and that opportunity presented itself and i went along with it". I think that’s the way, riding the waves of circumstance. I don’t think the word creation applies to this kind of thing.

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exactly, riding the waves of circumstance - very well put

we are little choice making mechanisms, playing out the possibile and likely

but things always happen the way they happen, they never happen any other way

i do believe in choice as well as fate - i make changes to myself all the time - i create myself, in a sense

but all those machinations are fated whether i willed them or not BECAUSE things always happen the way they happen and never happen any other way - they are determined

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Things to happen the way they happen, of course they do. You “create” yourself by deciding how you will react to those things and what you will learn from them.

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The only thing truly determined in life is death. All else is subject to change. the poor can become rich, the rich can become poor, the sick can become healthy, the healthy can become sick etc, etc…etc…Just jump right out there and take that chance or risk. Since we are all on life’s ladder anyway you may as well try to climb the darn thing. Its better than watching reruns on TV.

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Yes, Kris :slight_smile: