Are people the only animals that practice abortion and the usage of contraceptives?
I know infanticide is practiced in the animal world but for the most part is used by males of a species in order to guarantee procreation.
well maybe monkeys use the pull out method but i would first need to establish wether animals make the connection between sex and babys…
it could be, as Tucan sam would say " Just follow your nose"
My goal of this thread is to show how people’s greed and selfishness has increased within civilization exponetially especially in women, in that we deny the life of our offspring for sake of occupation or conceived notions of a occupational future.
I merely want to establish if this behavior can be found in other animals or not.
i think the sentiment you are looking to explore is simply too vague…
out of greed a woman may choose not to have a child…
greed really is the base emotion involved but the logical extrapolations required to make the connection between no baby and self benefit are simply not possible in the minds of “lesser” animals.
first you should establish that women abort children out of greed or selfishness, and then look for paralells in the animal world…
a chimpmunk might horde nuts for the winter with some sort of greedy thought in mind…
the way i look at it is that you can only have a feeling that is as big as your brain…
as humans with large brains we can feel a vast range of emotions ranging from extreme to subtle…
these extremes can be described as romance or insanity (imagine the hatred that a serial killer must feel)
and in the smaller mind of animals which also have the capcbility of feeling emotions, those emotions simply are not as developped or distinct.
so though a teary eyed woman may have an abortion out of greed and be aware of the consequences, the limit of a chimpmunks greed may be the extent of trying to have the buggest nuts…
I doubt other animals can associate sex with having babies. The two events are too far apart for them to make the connection.
We evolved to get pleasure from sex to make babies, not to have fun.
But fuck that, wear a condom retards.
I don’t think other animals are intelligent enough to perform viable surgeries or invent contraceptives.
My god you’re a glutton for punishment joker.
The reason humans ‘willingly’ commit abortion has nothing to do with ‘greed’ and everything to do with forsight, the forsight that other animals don’t have. Other animals are not consistantly self-aware of their lives/deaths or life/death in GENERAL, they don’t understand these concepts like we do, because they don’t understand anything at all like we do.
They don’t have the congitive ability to reflect on these things.
And besides that, even if they could, you’d be wrong, stupid animals eat plants all the time that damage/kill their growing fetuses. Since they can’t do anything ‘on purpose’ with the type of self-awareness that we do, your right that they don’t do it on purpose.Because no animals anywhere have the kind of self-awareness that would allow them to consistantly forumlate plots like abortion.
Mother’s will also let weak animals die right after birth, thats close enough to abortion.
Check out the section here on the social sexual behavior of these monkeys…
Isn’t it really a combination of forsight along with greed? 
Yet today it’s not exactly the same is it? Especially in regards to our living in civilization…
Today’s mothers abort their own fetuses because of their greed and ambitions in occupational careers.
Today’s abortions in combination of forsight and greed is done merely out of selfish vanity.
Selfish vanity being a extension of sapience that you seem so keen on worshipping Cyrene.
Well what are we talking about here exactly, which stage in pregnancy?
Using antibiotics to kill an infection isn’t an issue of ‘greed’ and killing off a handful of cells, that has no nervous system, isn’t a huge step above taking antibiotics to kill infection.
If we want to talk about almost full fetuses, thats not an issue of ‘greed’ either, self-preservation isn’t the same drive as ‘greed’.It might be greedy if the baby or fetus had any right to be living in their bodies to begin with, but they don’t, they shouldn’t have any rights.
Suggesting it is greed kind of suggests that a baby isn’t a lump of wailing flesh with no brain, which is basically, exactly what they are. Its not anymore fucking greedy to have an abortion compared to eating a hamburger, maybe even a salad. Most people have abortions LONG before the fetus can feel anything, know anything etc. A useless clump of cells, posing a huge risk to the mother. No more greedy then cutting out a tumour, only difference is theres ‘potential’ human life envolved, just like almost every single cell in your body could be ‘potential’ human life.
Also, its not an issue of greed when abortion/control over their own reproductive system, is the only thing that can drag plenty of societies out of their miserable poverty/starvation rates.
So many random places produce way too manyn fucking babies, most of which die anyway, and then hundreds/thousands of other people have to die because of that. Its not an issue of greed, but rather, one of survival for plenty of places. When the human-load gets so massive that the entire population is dying off at this massive rate, its not greedy to say, maybe the death rate/social decline into barbarbism should be halted.
Some people aren’t aborting babies so that they can invest in the stock market instead. I think most people who do it have to save up or borrow the $450 just to get it done.
Most people who don’t know how to prevent pregnancy are stupid.
Most stupid people are poor.
Most poor people wouldn’t know how to be really greedy if they tried.
That’s why they’re poor.
No. Animals have nothing but instincts to go off of, and instincts say “Make babies”.
well now… that’s a mighty assertion…
how might i ask does forsight make women have abortions?
you might say something like “because they know it will be too hard to raise a baby”. So instead of letting nature take its coarse the mother “cheat’s that little critter right out of a chance at life”… I don’t know about you but i’d call that something a bit worse than greed. (though greed is evident)
Your moral objections aside I am talking about the cognitive ability to reflect that onself is pregnant and to terminate it with awareness on a human level. Animal’s don’t routinely terminate because they’re not self-aware like humans.
Nature taking its course is most of us dying at around 20, most children dying to rasping horrifying parasites (including ones specifically designed to feast on their eyes) or getting shaken like a rag doll by some kind of massive ferocious savvanah cat…
“Cheating nature” as if nature is anyntihng but ruthlessly indifferent. we cheat nature every fucking day.
“Little critter’s chance of life”
Its chance of life is depending upon living inside a fully conscious fully grown human, which it presents significant risk at all times. Its that human’s choice to harbour it. Also A clump of cells, is no more a critter then the dead skin that falls off when you scratch your nose.
A full grown baby is no more a ‘critter’ then the dozens of animals people take for granted every fucking day.
Potential life is a stupid nonsensical arguement. A fetus presents a huge risk, therefor its the woman’s choice to host it or NOT. Since theres no real nervous system envolved with MANY abortions to even think of it as an organism of any note borders on delusion. Since theres no real consciousness envolved in an ALMOST FULL BABY about to be born, women shouldn’t have to feel guilty etc for getting rid of it.
Avoiding risks isn’t greedy. Its not greedy to avoid running into the middle of a busy road to save a monkey.
not to mention that ‘greed’ arguements are fucking absurd when entire populations are in states of total misery, death and starvation because population rates are so high, because people teach them abortion is evil.
Don’t be fucking absurd. Its hiding religious oriented beliefs behind the guise of compassion. Its makes my stomach turn, just outright with it.
so forsight to abortions is like legs to walking?
i agree that the ability to conciously terminate your child requires a conciousness capable of understanding the concepts, but that is no reason alone for a mother to kill her child…
regardless of how she was able to do it the reasons which caused her to do so are more than simply “having a conciousness”
saying abortion has nothing to do with greed and everything to do with forsight is irrational.
No but it’s greedy to put that monkey there and then leave it to its fate (or “evil” i should say)
the fact that it is a mothers choice to terminate the child says nothing about the motives which caused her to do so.
once again, saying that conciousness is the only lynch pin is irrational.
strictly speaking if the mother wanted to avoid the termination of a monkey she should have kept her legs closed.
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Absurd. How many people do you know get pregnant on purpose just to abort it?
And almost all motivations are jsut consideriong the risks, etc.
Consciousness, rights of a conscious person over a clump of cells.
What criteria gives a fetus rights over an adult? Other then religious bullshit over potential life, please, enlighten me.
what? this is not like you… try and remove a bit of your hatred and emotion and then remake this post…
like i said before… that concious mind should have been aware that having sex may cause pregnancy. if she is not equipped to deal with the baby then it is neglegence on her part.
rape is one of the obvious exceptions… or if the woman has medical complications…
why should little sue be allowed to kill her baby because she wants to finish high school?