Abortion is a topic that I am sure has been posted a billion times… but I am going to post it again. Plain and simple… are you against abortion or agree with it? This seems a simple question, but is so complicated.
The answer lies in whether you see the fetus as a BABY or a CELL.
For me, it depends solely on the preceding factors. I’ll interpret:
If, for instance, a lady wants to carry out an abortion because say she just learnt that her soon to be born baby, would be handicapped; chances of complications during the birth process would be extremely high; and the baby would live under constant pain because of some form of deformity, and weighing out all these factors she considered to carry on with the abortion, then I would “agree with it.” (and thats just to name but one example)
On the other hand, if another lady wanted an abortion because she doesn’t want to feel burdened with the responsibility of nurturing a baby because maybe she feels she’s too young, or perharps her boyfriend ditched her, or because she feels its just not a baby yet at its initial stages of conception, then I would be “against abortion” (and thats just to name but an example)
hi jessica.
I remember one time i was protesting at a clinic, one of the pro-abortionists counter-protesting told me they were for abortion because they knew of a woman who was doing drugs while pregnant and the baby was born addicted. I told them that I would rather be alive and addicted to crack than dead. I think there are few…no…no conditions i can think of under which it is literally better for an already existing child to be put to death.
But if we illegalise abortion, we may have to change our sex-education classes – no, we would have to overhaul our whole culture (Hooray for the Hayes code) to stop advertising to the immature that sex is a fun thing to do instead of it being the method of procreation for those married.
Those are my thoughts. Thank you for an opportunity to express them.
Un Chevalier Mal Fet
Hi everybody,
I believe that abortion is “justified” when birth might prove fatal to the mother of the child. Either than that I consider it irresponsible and unnecessary.
People use abortion as a way to erase the consequences of their actions. The pro abortion supporters tend to loophole this by trying to remove the shame of killing a fetus, since they might say that it is not “human.” So now we are actually pin pointing the time when it is ok to do an abortion. The word human is now used as a definition rather than having a real meaning.
The thing that affects me the most is the fact that abortion is just for the convenience of the parents and supposedly the rest of society, when the real target of this whole debate are the fetuses, embryos, etc. Doctors might tell you that the baby will be born with abnormalities…so what? I believe that what makes someone “good or bad” in life is themselves. Mattie Stepanek for instance, may he rest in peace, affected asociety in a positive way even though he had his physical condition.
I believe that while it’s still inside your own body you should have the right to do whatever you like (even at 8 months). It’s still your body, and I believe in the right to do whatever you choose to your own body - suicide, abortion, mutilation etc, - without having society forcing it’s morals down your throat. If you don’t believe in abortions then don’t have abortions, it’s your decision, but forcing your morals on to other people is not something I agree with.
The response to that would be that it’s ok to force morals on to other people when another’s life/safety is at stake, bringing up the argument of whether you think a foetus is a human being or a bunch of cells. For me however, this argument is irrelevant - we are never going to have a concensus on this and there is no evidence that could be unearthed to prove either side because it is completely subjective. Therefore you cannot form laws around responses to arguments of this nature in my opinion.
Sex is a fun thing to do and it’s not just a method of procreation for those married. These are Christian (and other religious) morals that you want taught in sex education classes. Why not teach that sex is a fun activity when done safely regardless of whether it’s within marriage or with a different partner every night? It’s in their own interests to have safe sex so why not just concentrate on the negatives and how to avoid them, rather than preaching some “sex within marriage” nonsense.
I’m guessing you don’t believe in natural law arguments. The nature of the sex act is to procreate, that is it’s end. To use some thing not in accordance with it’s nature is abuse of it. imo.
Also, people don’t always act “in their own interests” in cases of prudence. A rational culture would help them act in their own interests – and their childrens’.
I think if women are to have control over their bodies. They should also exercise responsibility to protect their body.
Abortion is wrong. It’s about time people start taking responsibility for their own actions.
You’re correct, I don’t subscribe to anything of this nature. We have the technology to make sex whatever we want it to be, the idea that we have to “live as nature intended us to live” is pretty absurd in my opinion. We are products of our environment - we are living in accordance with nature. It’s not like these laws actually exist in the wild anyway. Are dogs breaking natural laws when they try to mate with cushions and people’s legs? 
“live as nature intended us to live” is really “live as we say nature intended us to live”. It’s just an attempt to add legitimacy to your own argument, nothing more.
I suspect we are equivocating on the term “nature”. It’s not that we have to live according to primitive environments, but with our own nature as human beings.
What about rape?
Rape is never justified. Rape only happens in exceptional circumstances, often when the women do not exercise basic care over their bodies.
It’s obvious that rapists have some emotional problem. They often lurk in dark places.
If I bit my tongue, I expect it to hurt. Similarly, any reasonable person would know if a woman goes to a back alley at night, there is an increased risk she’ll get raped by crazy people in the dark.
She should be held partly responsible for her iresponsible actions.
Aren’t many women raped by men they know? Family members, co workers, friends, dates, etc? Aren’t some women raped in their homes?
There is an increased risk of driving at night. If you are driving at night and a drunk driver crosses over into your lane and kills you, are you partly responsible?
I mean sure… there is an increased risk, ergo the victim is to blame for assuming a part of the responisibility for that risk
simply by choosing route A to get to point B
Here is another one… the FBI crime profilers say that any male under the age of 35 has the potential to be a serial killer, from that we should assume that it is unsafe to associate with any and every male under the age of 35? Furthermore, if we do associate with said males, and they end up chopping off our heads and eating our corpses, well, we knew the risks… it is partly our fault.
I don’t know what women have done to you to earn your hatred, but ignorantly assuming that all rapes occur in dark alleys and that rape victims are responsible as a result may very well be the most moronic thing I have ever read.
Look at what you are proposing… there are certain places 1/2 of the human population should never go, and if they go there, they are partly to blame for what happens to them. Because, at the end of the day, we all know it is only those “crazy” males that rape women, and they all hang out in dark alley ways, and thats where all rapes occur, and if it does then its the victim’s fault.
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)
One of the most startling aspects of sex crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by women for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and the fear of reprisal from the assailant.
Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)
The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
In 1994-1995, only 251,560 rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials – less than one in every three. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
The National Crime Victimization Survey indicates that for 1992-1993, 92% of rapes were committed by known assailants.1 About half of all rapes and sexual assaults against women are committed by friends and acquaintances, and 26% are by intimate partners.
The adult pregnancy rate associated with rape is estimated to be 4.7%. This information, in conjunction with estimates based on the U.S. Census, suggest that there may be 32,101 annual rape-related pregnancies among American women over the age of 18.17
Thought that these might be useful… found at paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
Jessica, how do all those statistics directly (or maybe even indirectly) corrrelate to abortion? I mean, what really are you attempting to say?
I wasn’t questioning whether or not rape was justified.
If you were at home and someone broke into your house and shot you in the stomach would you feel that it was your fault for being in a home that was possible to break into? As has already been pointed out, very little rape happens in ‘dark alleyways’ maybe you have watched too many old crime films…
That’s outrageous, you have every right to expect to have safe passage down a back alley, not to mention that most rapes outside of hollywood happen in other places/situations. To say that women are somehow “asking” to be raped by going to dangerous places is absurd. Why not just imprison them in their houses? It would be irresponsible for them to go outside and risk being raped after all. 
Ignorance is too great in this forum. We are not living in a perfect world! Learn to expect the “impossible”.
If someone came and shot you while you are at home. You are at fault because you didn’t protect yourself properly.
And yes, if you know there is a risk something may happen, no matter how small the risk is. You are responsible.
To GCT. I never said it’s 100% one party’s fault. But the women and men have to share the blame.
I support women’s rights. Don’t attack a strawman.
Why do they have to… because you say so? Prove it please.
The men are responsible for their crime. The women partially responsible because she failed to take precaution.