From above:
And with thought experiments the points revolve almost entirely around the definition and the meaning that one gives to the words that comprise the thoughts themselves.
Instead, for me, when it comes to things like the “abortion wars”, it’s always about bringing those thoughts “down to earth” and examining them in a particular context where actual flesh and blood men are in fact being sterilized. And where actual flesh and blood babies are in fact being shredded.
Well, let’s just say that it did not come off that way to me.
And then back to my point: that what individual men and women are for and against in regard to value judgments of this sort is rooted more in “I” as an existential fabrication [from the cradle to the grave] derived from the points I raise here: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 1&t=176529
And especially here: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 1&t=194382
Again and again and again: for “me” when embedded in this frame of mind…
…what “I” deem to be appropriate here is no less from a fractured and fragmented sense of self.
Instead, what I am interested in with you and others is how what you or they construe to be appropriate here is not entangled in that grim, glum frame of mind.
In all honesty, this is the sort of thing I would expect from Pedro or Joker or Wendy. There are those objective aspects of my Self deeply rooted in the either/or world: biologically, demographically, empirically, factually.
Dasein is applicable [to me] only in regard to moral, political and esthetic value judgments. In the arguments I make in my signature threads.
So, if you are a man committed to being a father in a relationship with a woman committed to being a mother and you bring children into this world, is the manner in which you indoctrinate them to think about the world around them [morally, politically, racially, sexually etc.] immoral?
And even as you grow older and acquire more autonomy as an adult [presuming free will of course] how are the values you come to embody “morally” not more in sync with my arguments rather than the arguments of the objectivists here among us?
In fact, with my own daughter, I was always careful to make a distinction between what I thought about things morally, politically and in regard to things like God and religion, and how, as she got older, she may not think about them the same way at all.
Again, however, what if the pregnancy resulted from a defective contraceptive? Neither partner wanted to be parents but the biological imperatives kick in and the baby is conceived. Or what if they both wanted to be parents and the woman becomes pregnant but then for any number of reasons their circumstances change dramatically and that is not longer the case?
The actual contexts here are infinite. But either the baby is shredded or the woman is forced to give birth. Conflicting goods. And I have noted why and how “I” am “fractured and fragmented” in regard to that. How then are others not “drawn and quartered” in the same manner? Can they perhaps persuade me to yank myself up out of the philosophical hole that “I” have dug myself into here?
