About the existence of spirits

[liquidangel]

Knowing the limits of those capaciites, you’ve just drawn your boundaries. We limit ourselves when in reality we are limitless. It is the limitless part of you that 'picks up on these spirit beings you are speaking of. Not the limted part of you.

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[tentative]

Yes. The boundaries of intuitive knowing are there. For each in greater or lesser degrees. I have known no one who has not reached their boundaries and have failed. If I have gathered anything, it is in understanding limits.

[tentative]

Response to your edit:

We limit ourselves when in reality we are limitless. It is the limitless part of you that 'picks up on these spirit beings you are speaking of. Not the limted part of you.

It is entirely possible to sense things beyond cognition, but the source of that sensing is questionable. I say I have sensed a presence or understanding or knowing beyond cognition and words. What ever this sensing is, it is beyond or outside self. Is this possible? Yes.

It is also possible that the mind has generated a powerful illusion which in turn has brought strong emotion so that I ‘feel’ the presence of… whatever it is. Is this possible? Yes.

So which is reality, and how would I know? Perhaps we are limitless, I don’t know. But to say we are limitless is a leaving of our humaness. I find this difficult to accept. I go back to my statement that one must be constantly aware of what is reading and what is reading into. In a way, it is the dreaming butterfly analogy, which is it’s own statement of our limitations. Faith can carry us, but carry us where? Into transcendental reality or into ever more complex illusion?

[Astral]

@xanderman

@Astral

The situations in which you feel that these objects are reaching out to you is illusory.

If that were the case then these spirits wouldn’t matter at all. At least not to me. I also doubt that would matter much to anyone. If they have no capacity to reach out then they are very powerless.

You missunderstand what I mean. It is only illusory to the effect that they are reaching out to you. If you would carefully read over my post you would notice that I am saying their “reaching out” is only reactionary from your energy accessing them. You did not notice that your energy accessed them but you DID notice them giving you a reply. In this fashion it is only an illusion to reaching out because they are only responding, and not reaching.

@xanderman

Every object has an energy pattern. And when you are tuned in you perceive these energy patterns.

That description isn’t consistant with my description. I don’t have to do anything like tuning in to percive the spirits. I can do that, but it isn’t necessary. There are places and time when they make their presence known.

My description may not be easily understood but that was the impression I got from your coments. In many ways there is no requirement to tune for perception, I was only providing example.

@xanderman

And when you come into contact with them you feel as if they are contacting you. As stated earlier I mentioned that these entities are much like servers… they dont do anything until they are accessed. You are exchanging energies with this object just like everyone else does… but in your instance you are feeling a perception during its return.

It sounds like you are saying that everyone PINGS spirits, but I have a uncommon capacity to detect the PING that comes back?

Thats about a good analogy as any, so yes!

@xanderman

In this capacity you do not take mental note of the energies your own body is releasing to objects but you are being extra sensitive to the energies an object releases to you. And when these energies register you get the idea that this object has called out to you.

Maybe I am participating in this in a way that I cannot percieve. There still remains the sensation that they desire to be addressed.

Its not that you cant perceive this, its just that since you always give on energy you typically tend to ignore it more than when you receive. Your simply a more unique case were you notice received/responded energies more than others. This is prevailent in people who have practice arcane, or some form of mental or physical martial art.

@xanderman

Now to put these things a bit more into perspective. People have a tendancy to horde over objects of sentimentality. Objects that have been passed down from someone that have passed on are great examples. In general no one ever focuses on an object they feel that has no significant value to them emotionaly so they past the object by without much thought. But when they notice an object that does represent an emotional connection they begin to focus on the object. You simply have a larger focus on objects around you in this fashion than most other people who are instead, very selective with their own focused interactions.

That might be part of it but it doesn’t provide a complete explination. What about object likes stone or trees in rarely accessed areas? Those didn’t get any kind of charge from a living person.

We are not giving off energy to charge we are only giving it off to interact. And were people are not at… other animals, objects are… so therefore they are typically keep busy by them.

@xanderman

We all have limited access to the “Spirits” of these objects but there is only so much that we can do with them.

Agreed their utility is limited in one sense, but their real value may lie in their mere existance and mere contact. A greater awareness of a world that is more alive than we usually take it.

Agreed

@xanderman

You appear to like to exercise your 6th sense or 3rd eye so to speak where as others generally only do with with their sentimental objects. There are warnings to be heeded about this.

Can’t be my third eye. I cannot see these spirits, in any sense of that word. I can only feel them. While my ordinary eyes work fine I am even blind in my dreams.

There are other who report being able to visually notice such energies. Cant honestly say if this is true or not. I have not noticed energy flow with my eye either. I have felt them.

@xanderman

There are more that just the spirits of objects out there, and they can sense your awareness, and will sneak in like a thief if they can. Becareful and do not heed a call from an object because compared to these spirits, we are just mere beginners compared to their experience in these matters! You will notice that much of eastern mysticisms have you rather open your mind to these forces… this is a mistake. You can focus on them but do not open your mind to them. Many never know that they have been taken away.

I have met some super-spirits. They are like many little spirit working in concert together. They are powwrful, and dangeroua as is anything that is powerful, but not a threat.

Those warnings are serious. You cannot trust things that go beyond your own ability to intially understand. Remember… they have experience in these matters where you do not. Proceed most causiously. In most cases you will not need their help. And it is best when offered blindly and not asked for. Trouble arises from requests.

[Astral]

@liquidangel

Knowing the limits of those capaciites, you’ve just drawn your boundaries. We limit ourselves when in reality we are limitless. It is the limitless part of you that 'picks up on these spirit beings you are speaking of. Not the limted part of you.

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You may have yet to notice… but you just like the rest are sealed. Dont be fooled by misunderstanding. If you really broke those limits then you would not be here!

Only 2 things happen when that seal is touched. Pain or death.

None of the either side of us are limitless.