Abrahamism

Lorikeet · December 31, 2021, 10:33am

Christianity is Judaism for European pagans.
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They incorporated the deities and heroes as saints and prophets.
Pagan holidays were converted to Christian ones.
Multiplicity was reduced to a singularity, with a mystical triadastic essence, reflecting Platonism.
A authoritarian, totalitarian religion, usurping open that was open to many different interpretations of the divine.
Christian messianism is straight form Judaism. The idea of saving mankind or the sinner…the idea that the world is evil and must be healed, corrected, rescued or destroyed.

The idea of possessing god’s mind, knowing god’s will, in the form of scripture.

Judaism was seductive to Rome’s slaves, its desperate, its ill…so much so that Judaism had to end proselytizing so as of preserve tis choseness.
Christianity adopted Hellenic cosmopolitanism to make the salvation myth accessible to the world. Now not only those born Jews were god’s chosen, but all who accepted Jesus, as the Messiah a Jew, Saul, promoting another Jew Jesus as the world’s saviour - the one who had come to absolve man of sin and so prevent Armageddon.
Victim psychology through and through.

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Judaism appropriated and warped so as to create tis own religion, which worships themselves as an abstraction.
Jews have never created anything of their own, they’ve always appropriated and corrupted…the only thing they invented is this abstraction of themselves into a divinity to then worship themselves in the abstract, as an idea. This invention was a psychologically powerful one.
They took from the Egyptians, the Persians and every culture they came in contact with.
This is present in Christianity as it is Judaism selectively integrating Hellenism into tis superstitions to make it palatable to European minds.
Hellenism was easy to arbitrarily integrate because it was open and a multiplicity of varying philosophies, including absolutist ones - from Heraclitus of Parmenides.
Hellenism wasn’t about one single belief, but a way of being, an attitude, viz., openness, acceptable of multiplicity, possibilities, nature.
Orphic cosmogony offers a rough description of their metaphysical beliefs, which were not rigid but malleable from narration to narration. There was no singular all-encopassing dogma that could not be altered nor questioned.

The reason Jews still despise Catholicism and Orthodoxy - not so much Protestantism - is because of these Hellenic heathen symbolic remnants - Hellenism even in a corrupted form, is antithetical to Judaism.
Water and oil cannot mix.
They still celebrate their resistance and victory over the Greeks who, at the time, was the greatest threat because it was attractive to many Jews who were converting to Hellenism.
This is why Jews need to be persecuted to remain cohesive, otherwise they run the risk of being integrated and absorbed since their beliefs are entirely abstract and refer to nothing tangible.

A_Shieldmaiden · January 2, 2022, 1:04am

Lorikeet wrote:

Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church. The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.

Before the creation of man, God spoke, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness” (Genesis 1:26, NKJV).
The first man and woman were made in the image of God, given dominion over the world, and charged with responsibility to care for it. When the world was finished it was “very good.” (Gen. 1-2; 5; 11;)

This was Waaaaay before your Paganism was even thought of.

felix_dakat · January 2, 2022, 3:39pm

I find Christianity is best understood through a Platonic lens. These symbolic mythological maps correspond to one another though not without tension at the aesthetic the ethical and the spiritual levels. These tensions inform the historical dialect of western civilization ideologically.

felix_dakat · January 2, 2022, 3:43pm

Christianity came out of the dialectic that ensued after Alexander conquered the Middle East. The more you bore into the historical facts the less certainty there is about them and there will be no end to the historical series produced by the academicians and contemporary myth-makers who stoke the fantasies of the populace.

Ichthus77 · January 2, 2022, 3:45pm

Luther loved the church & didn’t want to cause a split…he wanted to fix what was broken. The Catholic church has since listened. Most of the denominational diversity you see today is just that. Diversity. Not schism. Most Christians have no clue what differentiates one denomination from another, or the essentials from the peripherals.

Ichthus77 · January 2, 2022, 3:54pm

I merely skimmed the thread, but if by Platonic you mean ideas that don’t refer, that is BS when it comes to Christianity (Judaism part two). But I also think that folks did not understand Plato.

felix_dakat · January 2, 2022, 3:57pm

The church is so fragmented today that the unity depicted in the Book of Acts is like the myth of a golden age.

Ichthus77 · January 2, 2022, 4:41pm

What do you know about it? We can’t all meet in one building at the same time. We can’t even all meet in one brain at the same time. It’s just a bunch of noise.

felix_dakat · January 2, 2022, 5:14pm

Not much. I was born into the liberal wing converted to the evangelical wing and left both to contemplate it as a “single individual” for 36 years to use Kierkegaard‘s terminology.

Ichthus77 · January 4, 2022, 5:38am

Read “Works of Love”.

Lorikeet · December 2, 2022, 10:52pm

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Meno2 · December 2, 2022, 11:24pm

Going backwards about the comment of the Jewish-God, that conduit of an allusion relies on the ground
of resourcefulness, toward the Source of all the rhetorical back and forth.

So, even if the Source has any connection with the Re-Siurce , than Christianity and Judaism need a reconciliation between the primal power to will It’s Self (cause if god is merely an early form of anthromorphism), and the off shoot of that is reversal of the Power to identify such resemblance, than the inverse Will to power would demand , or, at least try to conform to a required reconciliation, between the imagination and the image of that power.

One can not leave such wart shaking possibility, open ended, in these last days.

Man’s actions are reversible to the Word, however Gid and Conscious definition of that supposed power may be envisioned.

Meno2 · December 2, 2022, 11:26pm

Meno_:

Going backwards about the comment of the Jewish-God, that conduit of an allusion relies on the ground
of resourcefulness, toward the Source of all the rhetorical back and forth.

So, even if the Source has any connection with the Re-Siurce , than Christianity and Judaism need a reconciliation between the primal power to will It’s Self (cause if god is merely an early form of anthromorphism), and the off shoot of that is reversal of the Power to identify such resemblance, than the inverse Will to power would demand , or, at least try to conform to a required reconciliation, between the imagination and the image of that power.

One can not leave such wart shaking possibility, open ended, in these last days.

Man’s actions are reversible to the Word, however Gid and Conscious definition of that supposed power may be envisioned.

And knowing that being brothers, albeit only half - through the mother, You would not tell me to FXXXk off.

Lorikeet · December 2, 2022, 11:46pm

Abrahamism’s Will to Power, if you want to take that angle, is found in its control over man…naming it ‘world’.
Intersubjectivity is its only source of power.
Power over mankind…using words. Words that remain impotent before the world itself.

Matrices of code encasing mankind in tis fabricated realities.

Lorikeet · December 5, 2022, 6:09pm

Lorikeet · December 5, 2022, 6:14pm

• As I have discussed in The Seditious Genius of the Spiritual Penis of Jesus, Christian altruism is the opposite of kin selective altruism and the most potent Christian memes spread through subversion of kin selective behaviors. The Anglo-Saxons who became Puritans were vulnerable to Christian meme propagation because the Norman Conquest weakened the dynamics of their kin selective altruism. The kin selective insanity of the premise of “the individual” originated with the goodness of Christian altruism. The infinite soul of an individual Christian is the pivotal origin of the modern sense of rightness of individual rights. The genetic decline of the West, the worldwide decline in the frequency of genes of West European populations, is an ultimate consequence of Christianity’s subversion of kin selective altruism and a decisive sociobiological foundation of the modern idea of progress.

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Lorikeet · December 5, 2022, 6:49pm

Schopenhauer:

• The genuine religion of the Jews… is the crudest of all religions (die roheste aller Religionen). The ongoing contempt for Jews, amidst their contemporary peoples, may have been to a large degree due to the squalid (armsälig) qualities of their religion…
In any case the essence of any religion consists, as such, in its persuasion that it provides for us, namely that our actual existence is not only limited to our life, but that it remains timeless. The appalling (erbärmlich) Jewish region does not fulfill this; indeed, it does not even try to…
Therefore, this is the crudest and the worst of all religions consisting only in an absurd and outrageous (empörend) theism…
While all other religions endeavor to explain to the people by symbols and parables the metaphysical significance of life, the religion of the Jews is entirely immanent and furnishes nothing but a mere war-cry (Kriegsgeschrei) in the struggle with other nations.

Lorikeet · December 5, 2022, 6:53pm

Quigly:

• The second millennium was still in its early centuries when a series of Amurru princes ruled the whole Fertile crescent from the Persian Gulf to the Nile and, as “Hyksos,” were beginning to force their way into Egypt. Amorite names like Abram, Jacob, and Benjamin were recorded in cuneiform writing for the whole area. Tribal and family influence was still powerful in most places that individual rights were very weak, and a strong family group was a better guarantee of personal safety or of individual rights than either personal prowess or princely power. In this rapidly developing society there were scattered persons whom the documents called “Habiru” or some similar term. They are recorded from Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Egypt, and the Levant.
The meaning of the term Habiru is disputed, but it seems to apply to persons whose social position did not provide them with the protection of blood relatives and of the threat of retaliatory feuding by their families. They were, what Maitland called in the early Middle Ages in England, “landless and kin-shattered men”. The cause of this “kin-shattered” condition which left the Habiru in a precarious social condition is fairly clear. Any individual who had killed a member of his own family obviously lost the protection of that family and became socially isolated. Or again, any person who made a formal agreement to become bondman of another had voluntarily renounced the protection of his blood relatives. Similarly, men who bound themselves to fight for money could not expect their families to stand prepared to avenge any injuries they might suffer in their combats. Such persons, without family to protect them or to force the prince to extent his protection, needed some protector. This was found by seeking the favor of Yahveh, the God of mercy, one of the lesser deities in the numerous Canaanite pantheon. Such allegiance to Yahveh by bondsmen, murderers, or other “kin-shattered” persons did not originally imply any renunciation of the other deities in the Canaanite pantheon, and the Habiru continued to worship, as seemed fit, the other Canaanite Baals, working downward from the greatest, El, God of justice and creator of the world. The economic activities of these Habiru were probably not much different from those of other Canaanites. But two comments might be made. As persons with weak or no kinship ties they probably wandered about from place to place more readily than other Canaanites. And there clearly seems to be, among the Habiru, a large proportion of wandering metalworkers and misicmakers. Some of these metalworkers were known as Kenites, a name traditionally derived from Cain, the son of Adam. It is worth noting that the mark the Lord put on Cain was not a mark of damnation, as some believe, but a mark of protection: “the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who come upon him should kill him.” It would appear thus that the Habiru who became worshipers of Yahveh and later strict monotheists began as a legal or social group, later (at the time of Moses) became a religious group, and still later (at the time of Joshua) began to develop into a political group. Much later, after the Assyrian destruction of the Hebrew state, they became, once more, primarily a religious group, although there always were tendencies to become a political group (by establishing Hebrew rule in some area) or to become a biological group (by insisting on endogamy). At any rate the Hebrews always were a group within Canaanite society and never became a society of their own.