Absentee/illogician

:laughing: That might describe me too. Thanks gib for shining more light on the mirror. :happy-sunshine:

Which part? The ā€œresident absenteeā€ or the ā€œprofessional illogicianā€?

Cā€™mon gib - I think you can answer that question. Which do I mostly resemble ~ to you? Observation is everything! :stuck_out_tongue:
Enjoy your dayā€¦ :slight_smile:

ā€œResident Absenteeā€ sounds like the safer guess. :wink:

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WRONG!!! :banana-dance:

You are pawned. Stop projecting. :stuck_out_tongue:

What??? Really?!?! :astonished: I never would have taken you for an illogician!

I donā€™t see whatā€™s so fabulous about logic. Once you break this shit down it stops being logical anyway. It all goes back to Pascal, man. Who gives a shit? - Believe what makes you cool with all this nonsense. Because thatā€™s what it is anyway, nonsense: a fucking ride - a fucking rollercoaster that may or may not end in eternal nothingness. You are what you eat? Fuck that. You are what you believe. ā€œWhether you think you can or think you canā€™t, youā€™re right.ā€ Your move, world.

Does logic make you angry Twilight?

I havenā€™t experienced anger in years.

Logic is good for something. Itā€™s a great tool for problem solving, it just canā€™t solve all the problems or maybe even the most important problems for man. More than anything else, you need heart and soul.

I agree about the craziness that is the world.

Really? And when did you cease to be human? Was it after your labotomy? :smiley:

Since my nervous breakdown, circa 2010.

Oh, dude I didnā€™t mean it wasnā€™t good for anything; just that I donā€™t think everything needs to be logically bulletproof 100% of the time; that itā€™s ā€œokayā€ to indulge in certain ā€œquestionableā€ ideology for the sake of enjoyment, happiness and fulfillment, for instance.

ā€¦ Iā€™m basically saying the ā€œfeminineā€/ā€œemotionalā€/ā€œspiritualā€ side of the human experience is every bit on par with the newtonian/freudian/cartesian/rationalist paradigm that denounces those presentations/manifestations as useless and unreal.

edit: Well shit ā€¦ basically this: britannica.com/EBchecked/top ā€¦ ationalism

Should be familiar to most here.

yeah yeah, I agree. What did you mean about it all going back to Pascal? Iā€™m not much familiar with him other than the Wager.

Yes, Pascalā€™s Wager. Basically that if you believe and are wrong youā€™ve lost nothing; if you disbelieve and are wrong youā€™ve lost everything. Elementary case for general faith, be it positive thinking in general (ā€œThe Secretā€; ā€œLaw of Atrractionā€) or believing in the Christian God, whatever floats your boat. Atheism and nihilism certainly donā€™t offer a better alternative, and ā€œscienceā€ proper is demonstrably exempt from thinking about such matters - to say nothing of what quantum physics and string-theory and the rest of it implies for human consciousness and ā€œdestiny.ā€

Iā€™m really not a kook, I swear. Itā€™s just where the rabbit-hole has taken me. Logic ainā€™t all that.

Yes, Iā€™ve thought about it before and for a second I sided with Pascal about believing in whatever puts you in the best position not to lose bigā€“but ultimately I think Pascal underestimated what it actually takes to believe something. For me, I just cannot believe in the Christian conception of God, for example, even if my life depended on it. I canā€™t do it. Iā€™d have to give up some other belief in my worldview that I hold very strongly. I canā€™t completely flip my beliefs around just to conform to some rational gambling scenario; it wouldnā€™t be sincere so it wouldnā€™t work.

Iā€™m placing my bets on my gut, I guess.

Yep, reminds of the book Irrational Man, by William Barrett. That was the first real work about existentialism I ever read.

Fuck yeah that book was my shit.

ā€œThe subjectivity that is generally present in modem art is a psychological compensation for, sometimes a violent revolt against, the gigantic externalization of life within modem society. The world pictured by the modem artist is, like the world meditated upon by the existential philosopher, a world where man is a stranger.ā€

I donā€™t disagree. It (the Wager) is only indirectly related. The basic point is closer to a line from Bull Durham:

                     [i]You know how hard this game is? If 
                     you believe you're playing well 
                     because you're getting laid or because 
                     you're not getting laid or because 
                     you wore red silk panties -- [b]then 
                     you are[/b][/i]

"The profession of the philosopher in the modem world is to be a professor of philosophy; and the realm of Being which the philosopher inhabits as a living individual is no more recondite than a corner within the university.

Not enough has been made of this academic existence of the philosopher, though some contemporary Existentialists have directed searching comment upon it. The price one pays for having a profession is a dĆ©formation professionelle, as the French put itā€”a professional deformation. Doctors and engineers tend to see things from the viewpoint of their own specialty, and usually show a very marked blind spot to whatever falls outside this particular province. The more specialized a vision the sharper its focus; but also the more nearly total the blind spot toward all things that lie on the periphery of this focus. As a human being, functioning professionally within the Academy, the philosopher can hardly be expected to escape his own professional deformation, especially since it has become a law of modem society that man is assimilated more and more completely to his social function. And it is just here that a troublesome and profound ambiguity resides for the philosopher today. The profession of philosophy did not always have the narrow and specialized meaning it now has."

lol, I think I just found a copy of the text online. The book is pretty old (like 1957, I think) so it may not even be under strict copyright anymore, I dunno.