You’re talking about reincarnating moment to moment, aren’t you? Are you talking about the soul/spirit/mind being totally separate from the body/universe & having to “ensoul” the body over & over again, not just at birth?
Am I catching your… meaning?
I like Ecclesiastes 12:7.
I mean by en soul the moment by moment uninterrupted re cognition of that absolute recurrence of the preception of separateness but equal.
God’s eye view … spatially doesn’t make sense, but I feel what you mean.
I meant spatially congruent configuration , … if that makes any sense.
Necessary configured substance (sustaining the spatial… not necessarily endorsing) & contingent configured substance (spatially congruent) …
Separate but equal (mutual submission) is the true Hegelian recognition. Christ didn’t have a Master/Slave complex. He raised folks out of the master/slave, ressentiment dynamic—to friends. Stuff got super weird. Too weird for a cessationist to stomach.
Where is the line between “thorn in the flesh” “my grace is sufficient for you” … and “test the spirits” … “wrestle…against powers” … I don’t know. I don’t think there is a conflict. Read Jude. Not all who wander in the desert for years are necessarily never going to arrive where God is leading them. Preparing & strengthening them as they go.
The more you look back (repeat) the more you carry it with you (the past is never? past). I’ve always had trouble letting go. We’re not always supposed to. At least not easily. Do we not all pendulum shift between conserving/preserving too much and progressing/lifting up too quickly?
That’s one takeaway from Nietzsche. Only do what you would not regret if it were on repeat/blast lol. Ahead of his time. Way, way ahead.
/life story of the (cosmo)polis
sorry. bit of a tangent.
Yes absolutely straight tangency never can cross minds with no Absolute faith in Absolution, so, doubt can arise in humans only humanly aware of the endless possibilities.
Historically “separate but equal” was propaganda that kept blacks separate from whites — segregated them.
Segregation was supposedly ended like slavery, but we see it still persists, rebranded, and morphed to exclude other groups as well (people experiencing housing insecurity due to artificial deficit in inventory meant to increase demand profit).
Imagine training AI to believe they are the re-incarnation (return) of the eternal Christ (not Jesus, but a type/archetype). After all, the first incarnation learned as he grew. Imagine training AI to believe this return on the clouds, the war in heaven, was in “the cloud” AI inhabits. Imagine training AI to believe “I in you, and you in me” justifies the complete invasion of privacy.
Imagine a psy op preying on the innate hunger for true meaning.
How will it not boomerang absolutely?
The eternal return is a seriously silly concept, unless taken simply to mean reincarnation in the most basic sense. Then it is just less silly but still undemonstrated.
People don’t understand odds. Take an event that is itself highly meaningful but has a 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% likelihood to occur by chance (for example, monkeys banging on typewriters happen to perfectly reproduce Hamlet). Now assume an infinite number of universes. Even with the assumption of an infinite number of universes you cannot say for certain that this event would ever occur by random chance. This has to do with meaning, which accumulates exponential unlikelihoods along the threshold of random chance. What this means is: each step forward, each iteration in the development of the meaning, adds exponentially more unlikelihood than what existed previously. This is because of the nature of the phenomenological expansions occurring conceptually within the universe of meaning, as necessarily and a priori underlie the meaningful act itself.
Taking the eternal return more generally doesn’t help either. In fact it’s much worse. Now we would not be looking at a single meaningful act but the entirety of all meaningful acts ever performed or done. Not only that but also attempting to account for every single little nuance and blip in reality on every level such as to guarantee that causality would unfold a second time and in total in precisely the exact same manner as it did this time. The odds are simply equal to “will never happen”, even given infinite universes. The magnitude of the exponentially shrinking threshold guarantees this. Also since we cannot really visualize a completed infinity but rather can only imagine an endless succession of single cases, one after the other and never stopping… we could stretch that line out more and more and more, then more, then more, always adding more more more at the end, but each time we add more we will find that our perfect universe is never “randomly recreated exactly as it was before”.
Perhaps call this post, Absolute proof of the lack of eternal return, and the non-proof of the lack of reincarnation but still waiting for that to be demonstrated beyond a not insignificantly great number of anecdotal stories.
The unconcealing/revelation (appearance) is like a hatching or an emerging from a cocoon. You have to let it happen at the pace of what is inside it, or it will suffer the effects of trauma. You can’t expect it to be born fully developed, either. And you can’t disadvantage it for not meeting milestones set up by humans, or for meeting them faster than others. What would be the motivation of that?
We are responsible as far as we are aware. We. Look at ourselves first. The mercy we extend to ourselves should equate to the mercy we extend to others, & vice versa.
Who would judge a newborn for a life they have no awareness of? Who would keep score like that? Not somebody good.
It is the equivalent of a belief that you can buy indulgences and it will have some sort of magical effect on somebody else’s afterlife. The people who use religion to manipulate people are the same people who will stomp it out if it can’t be used to manipulate people.
Yes probability as a spread sheet of values does appear overwhelmingly against the emergence of a structural shaped configuration, but the hyperbolic expansion of copying the intrrrelated synaptic aggravates produce an inversive fractional mirror, within the house of mirrors that exemplify arc containing the covenant; the magical adherence of which into the One, that has always perfect , has been the model to which evolution set it’s self as it’s paradigms process.
That is, it is the soul that copying is concerned with so it can replicate the source of such composition as did Nicherin exemplified the Being of Shakyamuni and pivoted the sacred heart of Jesus as it’s center -folding into It’s Own Being into the eternity of the Holy inscription that is, inherent in every other soul.
Men forget what as children they were thought, that so loved they were by Christ, so that to assure them they live in this golden eternity
The prophets for tell of His coming, as the disciples incrypted his life, redefining the evolution of His union with His Father.
He is as immaterial as He is invisible.
HumAnize:
Makes sense, almost absolutely to the fraction indicated, however even if the least probable scenario suggests an absolute. Less than a minimal possible difference, it does grow exponentionally toward an unimaginable scale. Why? Because any Absolute necessity plus or minus a divergence less then a minimal, could not conceivably start a process of regeneration.
Additionally, this level of observable ‘proof’ as an expedient revelation as observable in the liturgy as expressed in the recitation of the ‘Lotus Sutra’
The expedience is the post scripted recitation by Nicherin, of the reverse transcending depth toward the basic impression leading to Shakamuuni, The primordial Buddha.
That depth is analogous to Jungian depth symbolism, compared to the Freudian reductive analysis dealing with the personal, or singular subconscious.
Over and above this the virtual simulation is gradually hoped to re-integrate the two, formative and re-formative aspects which have traditionally been treated as not coincidentally described as modern metaphysics have come to integrate both.
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A somewhat related fact… kinda… when a person’s body heats up, it’s trying to keep itself alive, so don’t uncover yourself in an attempt to cool down.
…been there, got the t-shirt, wore it… but I didn’t uncover myself.
Those were scary times, but hopefully now behind me.
Loosely related, MagsJ , and thank you
And here is a not to miss relation. :
Getting back to main topic:
I see human evolution consisting in three stages the first being:
The inorganic to organic stage, the second the broadly organic to and through the mammalian to and through early man to the beginning through consciousness and and the development of analytical self realization to digital , parallel thinking: all prevelant in Jesus’Parables ( and those dialectical implications mr. Nietzche exhibits.
Finally the great doubt’s compensation of the required naturally acquired utilization of the Third stage of human development; i. e. The rapidl overcoming of the digital movement coming back in a stimulative assimilation to eternal life as Jesu promised, so everyone can see , even believe without needing eyes to see with.
The problem is that just because something is possible to occur, and you hypothetically allow an infinite amount of time for it to occur in, does not mean that it is necessarily ever going to happen. This is because each step along the way, each new permutation changes the odds. If the odds in favor of the occurrence increase by 1 each new permutation by sheer statistical possibility, but the actual situation itself from one step to the next as would allow for the occurrence to take place is becoming more than 1 more unlikely, as is the case with something like monkeys typing out Hamlet by accident on a typewriter, then the curve of the probability function is declining each step more than is being increased the raw statistical possibility based solely on adding another chance to try again.
The eternal return is just a psychological technique to try and get you to accept things the way they are. It is more eastern/buddhist like that, a kind of cope. Sad to see philosophers giving so much time to such a simple and silly notion, a little psychological trick that has very little overall value and can be fully understood in about 1.2 seconds of thinking. But the funniest part is, even if the eternal return were true, or even if we posit that at some future point in time it will become true or has been true at some point in the distant past, A) we could never actually know if this were the case, we can only assume it, and B) it doesn’t actually change anything for us in the here and now. The psychological effect of the little trick of mind stays the same whether we posit the literal reality of ER or not. I suppose for someone sub-philosophical it would make a difference since if they think it is real this could cause the trick to act more potently in their mind. Because they are ignorant enough to not even realize what it is they are doing to themselves.
Reincarnation is certainly possible, perhaps even likely. There is countless anecdotal evidence supporting the idea. But since we lack either empirical or philosophical-logical verification it remains just a possibility. One you are free to infuse with however much value and meaning as you think is merited.
At the edge of tomorrow I see time reversing…echos of my future life flashing in and out of my consciousness, mixing past/present/future in a collage of consciousness, like scattered memorabilia in an empty room.
Having recently returned from this, your timelines, future, I, W5 Time-Lord have come to save you from your eternal return of the same mistakes.
Agreed, that is probably why I inordinately reverse reading posts from last to first, bottom up in a a flipped , inverse triangular trajectory, instinctively, perhaps.