Q: In jazz and blues, it’s a given that the older you get, the better you get. In rock the perception is: ‘Well, that you shouldn’t or oughtta not.”
FAGEN: “I think that really applies mainly to acts that have based their careers on a kind of adolescent philosophy or adolescent audience. There is something embarrassing about seeing the Rolling Stones. They seem to play pretty much like they used to.”
BECKER: “I think not. I think that they have tremendous credibility for a bunch of older guys.”
FAGEN: “They do, because they keep going musically –”
BECKER: “And they pull it off.”
FAGEN: “They write songs, but when I see them — when I hear them, it’s fine, but when I see them, like on this TV thing I saw part of it, I was kind of embarrassed. But I realize I’ve been embarrassed by their stage act since …”
BECKER: “Since the ’70s.”
FAGEN: “In the ’60s they had a beautiful act, and it was just like seeing a Motown act or something like that. But Mick has been doing this thing with capes and stuff, and to me there’s a real dissonance between what I’m seeing and the music I’m hearing, in their attitudes, in the poses they assume. It just always seems wrong. But that’s true, it’s been forever, almost. It’s these kind of exaggerated poses, grimaces. It doesn’t match what I’m hearing. I’m hearing some good rocking music and they’re acting like assholes.”
BECKER: “There’s a thing that they do in the middle of their show where I think they still do this — in the concert I saw in Honolulu, where they have a second (satellite) stage, like out in front of the big stage, and the five of them go out and they start playing just like a club band, with little amplifiers out in the middle of the audience.”
FAGEN: “Oh, yeah, they’re a little garage band.”
BECKER: “And it’s fucking great. I mean, they play just as well when they’re on the big stage, but suddenly you look at this and you realize…”
FAGEN: “They’re going through these very strange gyrations and so on, these really forced expressions. There’s something very schizophrenic, that to me is really hard to watch.”
Q: So is Steely Dan overqualified for rock `n’ roll?
FAGEN: “No, I don’t think so. Because as you say, it’s a labeling thing. You say when you see B.B. King, that’s fine; he’s playing blues. Blues, I think, has always addressed adult concerns, concerns of age and everything. I think we do the same thing. In that maybe we’re closer to Rhythm & Blues or a blues sensibility, a jazz sensibility.”
BECKER: “I think we’re more out of tune with the way music is marketed and presented to the public, it’s commercial manifestation, than we are with the actual music part. I think the music part works out fine. We’re a little bit of an anomaly…”