So does your European side get it, but not your Syrian…?
Are you always at odds with yourself? lol
How can u guys not get into this boxing? This is when the shit was real, when boxers were superhuman, and when they genuinely wanted to destroy each other. Today’s boxing is too produced man. So u know Foreman put Frazier down like six times, Frazier beat Ali but then Ali beat Foreman.
Of all the heavyweight legends I’ve decided that I’m most fond of Frazier. Ali is the greatest but that’s a good reason not to favor him… that and Frazier punished em like nobody else. Like the man said, Joe is just murder.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx22bpWeuFOdSGZuWpTsjHMnwIWIFY3Abs
Frazier strengths:
Constantly pursues, difficult to hit with all the dodging and ducking. Deadly left hook. Super fast. Excellent counter punch timing. Unique blocking position with his elbows turned out. Prevents hooks from getting in during a clinch.
Weaknesses: rarely jabs, burns energy with too much movement, favors left hand too much.
Foreman is just a big dummy that never stops punching. Ugly form but relentless, magnificent reach and mondo powerful punches. Frazier walked into a few and that’s what shook em up. At that point blocking Foreman’s assault was useless becuz he was already spun.
p.s. carleas you’ve got a five post in a row limit on the threads u know. Tryna put this in the sport thread.
What Ali shoulda done in the first fight against Frazier was switch his lead jab hand to the right. This would have faced him to the left, turning the back of his head to Joe’s relentless left hook. That single tactical change would have maybe saved him.
I watch round 11 every morning with coffee and a bowl. The breakfast of champions.
Ali knows he’s not really the greatest. More like the Bruce Lee of boxing… half of it is hollywood. Islam and malcolm x and the evil whote devil and all that nonsense. Frazier don’t care about that shit, rap. Frazier was a boxer. The best there ever was. And yes he’da beat Marciano. Marciano woulda went down in the ninth.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQhxN0OzGGLKYH4f2wwtohBrbFFbn5VsJ
Lol Joe got Ali all shook up. Joe don’t ordinarily talk shit so when he does, u know u in trouble. At this point Ali knows he’s lost becuz Joe’s smokin’ again in 11-15.
Why do we like this so much? Becuz we like it when the shit talker gets his ass handed to em. Make Ali look like a fool.
Fuck this I want to be a boxer, u guys. Am i too old to compete, tho?
No u don’t get it; i understand Joe. All day at work today i was bobbing and weaving and steppin as if i were being swung at by an imaginary opponent, and i understood the rhythm, the zone. I knew when and how to set that hook up. I knew how to anticipate and absorb those jabs… how to keep digging, how to close that distance and get his guard down by body shots.
It came in a vision u guys. I saw the mathematical equations for what Joe was doing like Einstein saw the theory of relativity in a day dream.
I’m tellin u right now i could step into a ring without a single day of training and if i didn’t beat the guy I’d make it at least four rounds. If I started training cardio u can make that eight rounds. May lose by lower points, but i ain’t getting knocked out. Not when i got Joe with me. U weigh 180 or less, imma hurt u.
I know how to throw these…
holds up fists and looks at em
How does Frazier win a decision if he lands far less shots than Ali? Two reasons, one’s obvious. Joe’s shots got way more ass behind em than jabs do. I’m not entirely sure how the scoring goes but i believe heavier hits get more points.
Ali lands three times as many shots as Joe in the thrilla, but they don’t count for much. They look good, stylish, beautiful as always, but they don’t do anything but welt the eyes up. Joe’s shots rack the shit outta ya. Move your fuckin brain around in there.
Second reason is Joe forces u to either constantly retreat, rope-a-dope, or cause a clinch to disrupt his assault. Fighters lose points when they initiate a clinch, see. So Joe can afford lower scoring becuz his opponents are steadily losing points by having to clinch so much. Damn near every fight of Joe’s he’s forcing his opponent to clinch if they can even make it five rounds.
Look at these three Beaufort South Carolina bootleg corn liquor hooks. U guys don’t know nuthin 'bout that. You’ll see two back to back and another 13 seconds before the round ends. Now Ali may ack like those didn’t rock his ass and he’s a pretty stout dude but i’ont give a damn, rap. That shit hurt. Like the kind of punch that’s so solid it don’t even hurt kind of hurt.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxHL9qyv4yyC4fjHWG2MifOkyDATUSsGEw
“That boy there… that boy is gonna be another Joe Louis, he remarked. The words made an impression on Joe. His classmates at school would give him a sandwich or a quarter to walk with them at final bell so that bullies would not bother them. Frazier said, “Any ‘scamboogah’ [disrespectful, low-down and foul person] who got in my face would soon regret it; Billie Boy could kick anybody’s ass.” The day after his uncle’s comment, Frazier filled an old burlap sack with rags, corncobs, a brick, and Spanish moss. He hung the makeshift heavybag from an oak tree in the backyard. “For the next 6, 7 years, damn near every day I’d hit that heavybag for an hour at a time. I’d wrap my hands with a necktie of my Daddy’s, or a stocking of my Momma’s or sister’s, and get to it”, he remarked.”
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https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSs_3iJIUBDQdB3jNivTUdl8ZSlJSHRXW
Ali thinks he won the first one and doesn’t count being knocked down as a problem. He’s been knocked down three or four times and still won the match. He says that now, but when Frazier knocked him down it was late in the game and he was exhausted. A late knock down like that isn’t something you can recover from like his other three were. If the match went to seventeen or eighteen, Ali woulda been knocked out or woulda called it. That’s very very likely what would have happened.
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“Yeah u said u was God and i said well God u was gonna get yo ass whooped tonight” - Smokin’ Joe
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxIzP0WCkK51hsJY1WbAugBaDOZEBIoF67
Since @Ecmandu is strategically ignoring my debate challenge, I strategically challenge @promethean75 to a fake fight.
The winner is allowed to tutor me.
I can’t lose.
Lol @ 0:55 https://youtu.be/f1pZPCLz-k4
Frazier: U not fightin’ Quarry, u not fightin’ Oscar Bonavena, u not fightin’ Sonny Liston. U fightin’ Joe Frazier!
Frazier: I’ll stop him.
Ali: Stop me!?
Frazier: You!
Ali: Don’t let him get agitated, he’s agitated. He’s agitated.
Ali on George Foreman ‘the mummy’.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxroUmctnOvWZSVqDbVYqnS-BGrxYQFPk_
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Cosby and Frazier talking about his fight with Foreman (the mummy).
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxOwRT_kuHXMpckkUWef51FZoSbHmJgeKc
The other side of the coin of Frazier’s defeat by Foreman is that Frazier got back up five or six times after getting clobbered by George… and nobody else has ever done that. So now we can say Frazier isn’t just the greatest heavyweight champion but also the toughest loser. Would it have been better if Joe retired undefeated? Maybe. But i like the fact that he was the only boxer to ever get back up that many times and keep pushing. He had to lose to be able to do that. Has a tragic poetic feel to it. Bro i could cry when I watch that last footage of Joe before he died, watching his fights on video and remembering it all.
Alright here’s a breakdown theory for why Joe lost to George but Clay didn’t. Why did Joe whoop Clay’s ass so bad in the fight of the century if Clay and Foreman are the same sized dudes with the same reach? Becuz Clay isn’t a hard hitter… he’s a fancy jabber and combo puncher who racks up points - btw this is a mark against him becuz he’s tryna fudge the score with little flurries of useless pop shots instead of fighting to win by a knockout. He’s confessed to doing this.
Why is hit power the decisive factor specifically in Joe’s case? Becuz Joe happened to stay in the general area where George was most comfortable swinging. Hip height in front of him so he could throw those big slow hooks that crack your skull. Joe’s form made him a punching bag for George while for Clay, he was a difficult target to hit hard. Unless u swung wildly at that area with power punches, your jabs aren’t doing any damage to Joe. That’s why two guys the same size and reach result differently with Joe; one tries to hit hard, the other focuses on scoring jab points.
U see it in the fight. Joe’s bobbing is excellent against front jabs and combos (he dodged Clay’s shots often) but ineffective at preventing uppercuts and short hooks if the puncher is strong af. He can be slower than molasses, and it won’t matter in Joe’s case becuz he’s bobbing again in the same forward assault to set that corn liquor left hook up, etc.
And I’ve always thought the height and reach advantage Clay and George was substantial enough to be considered.
So that’s why. George happened to naturally favor the circumstances given to him by Joe’s style and form. And to Joe’s disadvantage, he was always too rigid, too by-his-book and never surprised anyone.
Also Frazier/Ali 2 and 3 are bogus. Clay won by scoring with those fancy little pop shots. If those matches were unlimited and they kept going, u already know what woulda happened. Smokin!
Anyway, Clay beat George becuz Clay didn’t bob like Joe.
That’s a carpentry thing and a boxing (¿sorta?) thing? No wonder you do both of them at work.
I’ve always heard them called that. Or false panels.
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A brief description of the physics of the corn liquor left hook. The most unorthodox and effective aspect of Joe’s general style is that his power punch, that left hook, is launched from the lead hand in a forward leaning position; he’s turned to the right so his left hand is in front of him.
Ordinarily right handed boxers, which is most of em, launch power hooks like Joe’s from behind and after setting up and rearing back. It’s most often a follow up punch after a jab or cross punch. But with Joe, it fires off from an even shorter distance with more speed (he’s leaned forward) but with the same force, or more, as a combo hook. He lunges with the swing… he’s not channeling the power of the swing up through his leg like a boxer who sets a hook up. U can judge the speed of em when he misses and you’re able to see the full swing.
If Clay didn’t lean back in the nick of time on several occasions through 5, 6 and 7, he’da met the mat much sooner. What a great fuckin fight. All the theatrics and taunting and shit talking between em… all the risks they took - Clay with his rope-a-dope pitter patter clownin and Joe with him bouncing up and down with his hands down, laughing at all of Clay’s missed shots - it was all pure gold man.
Jerry “Irish” Quarry a.k.a The Bellflower Bomber. Beat damn near everybody important but never made the title. Acquired dementia: “The damage he accumulated from lack of attention to defense against larger men at the top level and no head guard sparring”.
Total fights 66
Wins 53
Wins by KO 32
Losses 9
Draws 4
The infamous Irish punch in the nutts that nearly finished Smokin’ Joe Frazier in their second fight.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxguX0NWyVrgjg-KOtCQK3Ib33fs7DNXMS
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2J-I1abK1TC3FVkfLu7eIt1HyaNjuaKp
Good sportsmanship. A dazed Quarry stops and steps back as if he heard the bell, but Louis doesn’t call the fight yet. When they square off again Frazier gestures toward Quarry’s face as if to say to Louis ‘he’s fucked up Joe (Louis), u sure u don’t wanna stop it?’
I doubt Frazier was tryna manipulate Louis into stopping it to guarantee Frazier’s win becuz Frazier wasn’t worried the least bit about that. He was genuinely tryna look out for Quarry and not fuck his face all up or break his jaw.
Now what would Clay have done in the same situation? He’da taken full advantage of Quarry’s oblivious state and used it to make jokes and spin his arm around like he’s winding up for a softball pitch. Clay would have totally clobbered poor Quarry when they squared off again and not thought twice about whitey’s face.
Ron “The Bluffs Butcher” Stander, a nobody from Nebraska who knocked Shavers out and, regrettably, decided he wanted a shot at Smokin’ Joe.
Ron was the last Stander ever in the ring with Joe. Just wanted to make that pun there, thank u.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2L7G8MslWJJ5nP1IZmTVeSVbUuJqT1Pt
note again how Frazier, Joe takes it easy on his opponent once it’s clear that the dude is fucked up and ain’t comin back.
The Smokin’ TKO of George Chuvalo, dubbed The Washboard Lady by Ali.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnlViElSPLuUf-LqT4FXkHT7MHuqgE2CP
Special feature footage at the beginning of Frazier And The Knockouts doing a musical performance on a beer commercial.
p.s. i need somebody to post so i can get my next five posts. I’m at my limit, homeslices.
Awwww diddums!
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…there’s a 5-post post limit? 
Oscar ‘Ringo’ Bonevena, the ugly, clumsy Argentinian brawler that looks like a retarded kid getting hit by a barrage of water balloons at some kind of party for kids with special needs, whenever Clay blasts em. Like he freaks out and flails around like he’s being swarmed by bees or sumthin.
Total fights 68
Wins 58
Wins by KO 44
Losses 9 (1 KO)
Draws 1
He lost all his fights with the holy boxer trinity; the Frazier, the Foreman and the Ali, but beat up a bunch of mexicans i think.
Why did Clay particularly dislike Ringo? Wonder no more: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwOkLmwdJzA7ZOzDowNuioysD4wyEGoPL
The Negro and the Mexican have always felt uneasy around each other unless they’re working as short order cooks together. In all other professions, they usually don’t get along due to unresolved ancient tribal rivalries. But while Oscar did get punished as promised, he made Clay work his ass off.