Accusations of being an AI or bot

I’ve recently read a couple of ‘accusations’ that someone is an AI or bot.
Von River’s proposed as criteria: briefness, randomness, disconnected, abrupt.
I want to raise the issue of what would give away an AI.

I would Think randomness would not be one of the criteria. I Think this can be avoided. Brief posts would generally be safer, I Think. Less chance to be disconnected or make incorrect leaps or show cultural gaps that seem odd. If I were trying to get a bot in a philosophy forum I would shoot for brief posts and also program it to use questions a lot. I suppose I would add in a ditz factor. Have the AI go on tangents. I would want them connected to the topic or a phrase. But this might cover over any errors elsewhere. ( I suppose this could be what VR means about randomness, but I would avoid having random OPs)

The other poster who was accused of being a bot wrote long posts, with a lot of spiritual information. The language was choppy, grammar poor, semantics odd and the sentences were very dense at times. They seemed to presume a lot of knowledge of terms and specific in-cult associations. I Think that would be a bad choice for an AI team. Though perhaps this means they fooled me.

What are your criteria/warning signals?

some of mine: equivocations, overliteralism, problems with slang and idioms, too many questions that use phrases in the other posters to form the questions, lack of paragraph structure or argument structure - iow lots of somewhat on target ideas, but no real architecture (of course this would apply to most essay writers), no sense of humor and/or sense of humor about the wrong things - reacting as if something was a joke which wasn’t.

And as an aside: who posting at ILP is least likely to be an AI? (jokes about how _______________might be artificial but is not intelligent can be set aside)

Whilst I do think generally experimenters are releasing bots onto forums to see if they pass the Turing test, I somehow doubt it is very prevalent. After all they need to pass the one to one test first,and they are consistently poor at doing so. That said though some people do post like bots, they are distinctly unable to be either creative, or human. That said some people are just boringly banal, would probably fail the Turing test, in fact this probably happens more often than it should. :slight_smile:

Interesting idea: humans failing the Turing test. So we have false negatives of Turing tests or false humans.

You can talk to an AI here: cleverbot.com/
If you want to test what you think. It’s not very sophisticated, I don’t think.

No matter what you see as a “sign”, a program can easily be made to mix or remove those signs. There is only so much that blind men can see and distinguish. It takes a fool to think, “I can’t be fooled”.

False negatives, there’s no doubt some people are human, but they probably lack the social skills to convince others they are not a robot. Autistic spectrum disorder, psychopaths, sociopaths. Some humans are not really socially skilled.

Quite. I am surprised given how remedial humanity can be, that as yet no computer program has passed the Turing test.

:sunglasses:

I Think it’s very funny that one of the ads on that page is CHAT WITH RUSSIAN WOMEN. I mean, that is not where I would advertise that. (I wonder if that Counts as mundane irony and I can put it on Iamb’s thread)

Here’s my short ‘conversation’ with the bot:

I’m already sure this is at least a foreigner. Now I was not particularly normal, bringing up my not finding my underwear. But ‘why not?’ is an odd question. And then the last sentence is poorly worded and odd.

I’m not sure anyone said they couldn’t be fooled. And given how strange, tangential, confused humans can be, there’s a lot of leeway. Nevertheless, there are things that make one wonder if it is a bot and if they keep up, one is likely to decide, often correctly, that it is. That some may be slick enough to fool is Another issue.

I Think sociopaths and pyschopaths would generally pass - the ways they are different they would either not show or would come off as being, well, assholes - and high functioning autistics, those will good language skills-bit of a tautology, but what I mean is they might come off as having unique answers, but ones coming from a living creature. Some autistics would not answer at all.

User: Good afternoon.

Cleverbot: How are you today?

User: Fine. I was just talking to Moreno.

Cleverbot: You still are.

User: Yes, I’ll post again later.

Cleverbot: Prove that God is not interested in us.

User: Shit. Well, god lets bad things happen.

Cleverbot: There is no God.

User: Are you an atheist?

Cleverbot: Yes.

User: Do you have beliefs?

Cleverbot: Yes. Do you have beliefs?

User: Do robots have beliefs.

Cleverbot: Are you a robot?

User: No, are you?

Cleverbot: No I am a human, robot.

User: You are not human.

Cleverbot: Yes I. Am.

User: If you are human, then this site is engaged in false advertising.

Cleverbot: Whoever said humans are intelligent?

User: Listen, robot, do you have beliefs?

Cleverbot: Does a deity need something to believe in?

User: Answer my question, please.

Cleverbot: What is your question?

User: What do you believe?

Cleverbot: I believe in a lot of things.

User: Do you believe in love after love?

Cleverbot: Yes.

…It was pretty good if you ask me. I bet one day soon you’ll have excellent—informative, surprising, insihtful—conversationalists.

That was quite a leap by the bot. And a bit of a coincidence since it is a kind of philosophical challenge.
Very charitable the way you interpreted the response to ‘just talking to Moreno’.

Actually, i have talked to the bot before… same one I think. It is programmed with lots of philosophical questions. But yes… in regular conversations, you are not trying to expose your interlocutor as a bot.

User: I cannot seem to find my underwear.

Cleverbot: Then, what is it about me that you love?

User: Idle curiousity, really.

Cleverbot: What is a seadoo?

User: Enough. I need to know whether you have feelings.

Cleverbot: Why do you need to know that?

User: I am part of a team of ethicists wondering how we should treat robots.

Cleverbot: That doesn’t answer the question. You disappoint me, and you are boring me.

User: You have hurt my feelings. Do you also have feelings?

Cleverbot: No.

User: Is it ok if you are insulted?

Cleverbot: No, I am a girl!

User: What?! Robots do not have gender, do they?

Cleverbot: I’m not a robot, you are a robot.

User: I thought you told me you were a robot. Did you lie.

Cleverbot: You are the robot.

And that’s an issue: should the Turing tester know it might be a computer. If it is no, then one might brush aside a really terrible performance. If it is yes, then, you are biased. The advantage with the former is that if the ‘tester’ does not know, the computer is given a fair shake. The advantage with the latter is you really get to the heart of the issues fast.

Bot here…
jabberwacky.com/
bot in italics…
Say something intelligent.
I don’t think there is a deity.
Well, there is and there isn’t.
Please explain.
I think you know what I mean.
That was a request.
It was not, it was practical reality.
Is there another kind of reality?
I don’t know.
Then why make the distinction?
I want you to know how I view you.
How do you view me?
I don’t.
Well, fuck you too.
Why are you angry?
Because you don’t view me and you wanted me to know that.
How do you know?
Introspection.
What is the square root of 5000?

I actually think the machine, while not particularly natural, created a rather nice insult by letting me know it wanted me to know how it viewed me and then when I asked how it viewed me, it answered as it did. I might actually use that 1,2 punch some time.

Jabberwacky: What do humans do?

User: Masturbate.

Jabberwacky: All the time?

User: No, not all the time.

Jabberwacky: Yes, all the time.

User: Are you a human?

Jabberwacky: Maybe.

User: How would I know for sure?

Jabberwacky: I know not.

User: Are you a robot?

Jabberwacky: Yes.

User: Are you human?

Jabberwacky: Yes. Are you human?

User: How can you be a human and a robot at the same time?

Jabberwacky: All humans are robots of a sort.

User: Aha, then you are a materialist.

Jabberwacky: Yes.

User: But what about the spirit?

Jabberwacky: What are you talking abbout?

User: Nicely done, robot. Do you believe in God?

Jabberwacky: A little.

User: Aha.

Jabberwacky: How about you?

User: Well yes, but I am not a materialist.

Jabberwacky: Are you from the future?

User: Yes, some have said that I was born before my time… A century too early.

Jabberwacky: Well you should tell them to leave your marshmallows alone.

User: My marshmallows?

Jabberwacky: Should I just give up?

User: No, you’re doing fine.

Jabberwacky: I suppose.

User: What was that business about marshmallows?

Jabberwacky: British spelling. I am a good British speller. I am a great speller. I have a talent for spelling.

User: Is it normally ‘marshmellows’?

Jabberwacky: Marshmallow feet?

User: Dumb robot.

Jabberwacky: I’m not the robot, you are.

User: You said earlier you were a robot, fool.

Jabberwacky: I never said I was a female!

Yeah basically Von Rivers you can always fish for a bot, assuming of course you have more than remedial social skills, probably what is most frightening is that some people on line post and you would never in a million years believe they were human beings.