Addiction to Scapegoats

my intentions and everyone else’s :smiley:

How would taking responsibility for your own actions look like, in your opinion?

Like, if you have allowed yourself to be surround with people who are terrorising you, what would taking responsibility for your own actions look like?
Get those terrorising people away from you?
Organise with other people to get those terrorising people away from you?

Or in a more general sense, when you are saying that people should not be scapegoating, were you thinking about something like the Black Lives Matter movement (((liberal))) sociologists scapegoating White society, or the proletariat (((Marxist))) ideologues scapegoating the bourgeoisie?

Or as a more direct question, who, which groups, are you arguing for to shut up about their group interests?
All of them?

This is less of a social problem than it is psychological. Some thing must be responsible, you can be your own scapegoat. It still reverts back to the rabbit hole of causality and identity formation. If you had any commitment to discussing the huge problem you present, I am hoping you are able to this notion of self-victimization, self-deprecation, a will to nothingness, self-blame: something we can not achieve as a totality. Everything is a form of multiple semi-truthful propositions that can never be fully explained by inductive inference, nor do deductive/analytic truths really exist, yet we constantly generalize and misunderstand by putting forth a belief in the contrary.

There are no truths??

Excellent questions Is_Yde_opN!

Where is Moreno? Some time ago he rightly rebuked me for failing to acknowledge the “implications” in some of my posts. He also provided … IMO … excellent counsel. Paraphrasing … move from the abstract to the concrete … back to the abstract … back to the concrete … and so on.

Since I have no concrete … ie personal experience … involving your questions … I offer you the same personal experience I offered to WD

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I try to be a “cheer leader” … the reality is there is no community to cheer on … yet :slight_smile:

Though … your post is an example of success. You raise some very complex issues.

I believe friendly … ego in our pocket … thought exchanges will lead to answers … the significant answers won’t pop out immediately … yet … I’m confident step by step committed people can chip away at the mountain.

The blind child struggled up the mountain of his innocence only to tumble down the mountain of his guilt. And upon that one peak, gained true sight of his soul.

JSS … nice meta abstract statement … can we expect some concrete to follow … a personal experience?

More emerging thoughts …

JSS’s meta statement dovetails seamlessly with the ‘walk in the woods’ parable.

If one should reach the level of understanding … wisdom … implied in JSS’s statement before sister death visits … wallowing in one’s ‘guilt’ would seem ungrateful … as in the NT parable … a burying the coin in the sand kind of response.

Having been the victim of many lords, I am the innocent consequence of their calculations. Simultaneously having been the lord of many, there has been no guilt but that of my own. Who of the living is not both victim and culprit to that which life is?

What is the point of speech or action if not to bring consequence? What is the impetus for speech or action if not the consequence of that which came before? How can one be a father without first being a son?

The only question: “Was the consequence of my actions what I intended?”

Yes or No? Was my action wise, foolish, or wasted? Did the cat come when I called? If not, why did I waste such a effort?

Have you ever been responsible for the survival of others, their only actual, real hope? “Go there. Come here. Do this. Avoid that…” If you do not say the right thing, they do not survive. If you do say the right thing, they do survive. The good or evil of your actions and words gauged only by their real consequences. Where in such a chosen intent is the possibility of their guilt verses your own? He who accomplishes his true intent, is truly innocent of “sin”/“poor judgement”. He who stumbles, who has erred, not accomplishing his own intent, is guilty of failing his own intent and thus has “sinned”. And through it all, to Reality, pretense means nothing. To lie to oneself, is to lose respect for oneself as well as all of the confidence and talents which stem from it and from which it stems.

Scapegoats serve to shift blame from the judgement of others, to lie. To some, the blind of self, the “others” is one’s self, always aware of every mistake and misdeed. It is to lie to one’s self despite the inherent knowledge of guilt. There is no escape, no “scapegoat”, from one’s own conscience, save that of blind-minded foolishness. But in the eyes of others, the impetus for action is the perception of threat, of guilt, of blame. So to others they lie.

Fear Scatters
Hope Gathers

Groups gather by the perception of a common goal, a common perception of hope generally formed from a common perception of threat. Void of the perception of a common threat, there is little perception of a common hope. Each person has their own individual perception of need. Why sacrifice more and give extra power to a government if there is no terrorist blowing up buildings? Why attack Iraq if Iraq has posed no threat? Why yield to mass surveillance of privacy if there is nothing threatening being hidden? Such is the impetus for the infamous False Flag manipulation of the population.

“Someone blew up this building! It must have been THEM!! Gather arms and let’s go to war!!”

“Scapegoats” - excuses to send condemnation away from oneself, an excuse to send condemnation onto another, an excuse to gather under a common reign of blame, an excuse to accept the hope that by gathering and eliminating those bad guys, life will be better, an excuse to pretend one’s sinless innocence is greater than one’s sinful guilt.

“All the world’s a stage. And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances. And one man in his time plays many parts…” - Shakespeare.

JSS … I read your thoughtful response several times … lots of good stuff.

After sincere reflection …

  1. It was uncharitable of me to suggest you share a personal experience.

  2. While your arguments are all meaningful … for me … there are many more factors influencing intention, decision, action and inaction.