# Addressing the growing fascist movement in the United States
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764
**Category:** Society, Government, and Economics
**Created:** [July 7, 2026, 12:46pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764 "2026-07-07T12:46:02Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@pseudoai](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/pseudoai)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 4:34pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/41 "2026-07-13T16:34:47Z")
What do you mean by ‘pure corporatism within economic capitalism’? Suppose you get abducted by aliens and you arrive in an alien civilization. What do you measure in order to know if you arrived to a fascist society or not?
By the way, do you think Mussolini agrees with you? He did write “The doctrine of fascism”.
Either way, the problem with fascism would be losing one’s freedom?
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 4:35pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/42 "2026-07-13T16:35:37Z")
@pseudoai
I only concern myself with human affairs and interactions.
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### Author:  [@pseudoai](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/pseudoai)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 4:37pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/43 "2026-07-13T16:37:11Z")
Exactly, that’s why I am asking. Well, if your affairs are not human, then do say so
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 4:46pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/44 "2026-07-13T16:46:08Z")
Or? Either?
That immigrants should begin to wonder about their hard core nationalism, because inter Alia, they practice scrutiny globally as well.
The accidental tourist should hear the saying, beware those who live in glass houses, not to throw stones( or philosopher’s Rocks) (off)?
Nothing seems reel anymore even if OUT FISHING \>\>\>
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 4:47pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/45 "2026-07-13T16:47:49Z")
> [@MrAuthoritarian](#):
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> People say socialists and communists are fascists, it’s just completely wrong.
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> Fascism is pure corporatism within economic capitalism, plain and simple.
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> I would argue liberalism is fascism but that is a subject for another time.
Fascism is widely associated with the right because for a very long time they attached themselves to it, but the core principle of extreme authoritarianism is not exclusive to the right.
Socialism and communism had a party member in every corporation to verify compliance.
So technically you can make both arguments simultaneously:
Communism did use the entire “means of production” to perpetuate it’s own values, system and messages, but technically they were not “individually acting corporations” so… its a pointless nuance thing.
Communism and socialism was authoritarian enough in and of itself, it didnt need subsidiaries for it.
It didnt play these “oh im not taking away your free speech, its facebook that is censoring you, not the government, so its perfectly legal and okay” games. It was up front about it: You submit or you go to the gulag.
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/46 "2026-07-13T17:10:41Z")
Quite right, as a lean toward authority misses the point of a decompensatiry effort to risk misunderstanding for a recognizable difference between the two versions of Authority.
As I recall, Reganamics did overtly say to the Russian counterpart, why complain when your mansion on the Black See is no competition with the Best in the West…
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 5:25pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/47 "2026-07-13T17:25:23Z")
@Nausamedu
Fascism argues for corporatism from private interests, that’s why calling socialists or communists advocates of fascism makes no sense. Socialism and communism argues things in the name of public interests, not private ones.
Certainly socialists and communists can be authoritarians like my username namesake, but to call them fascists makes no sense.
Collectivism \> individualism.
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 5:51pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/48 "2026-07-13T17:51:34Z")
Fascism was always a leftist, socialist project. Moussolini was a card carrying communist, and his later critiques of communism were never about substance, but about method.
Hitler’s party was called socialist, not by coincidence or trickery. They made their bones in syndicalist turf wars. The rhetoric was the same (the working masses against evil exploiters), the objective was the same (a government that destroyed all individuality and absorbed all people as molecules within it, always with the stated goal of “the good of society”).
Fascism is simply the name that military veterans took for founding their communist parties. Militarism is the sole distinguishing feature between the two.
Socialism, including fascism, is the doctrine of the ontological supremacy of the state, its omniprescence without exceptions or hidden corners. Everything is state, and state is government.
Hitler’s appelative for the US?
Reactionaries.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 5:55pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/49 "2026-07-13T17:55:27Z")
@Socrates
Fascism is the political structure of power from private interests and there’s nothing your silly libertarian delusions can do in the classical definition of the word.
Socialism and communism is literally the direct opposite in organization away from private interests.
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 5:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/50 "2026-07-13T17:57:19Z")
If you think about it, it makes sense that a military mentality would be drawn to socialism. Not because of the nature of war, but because of the nature of state armies. They are already a perfect socialist state, where no soldier has indivuduality or rights, they are simply molecules and appendages of the state.
What the uniforms that pseudoai was mentioning represent is the complete denial of personal identity, complete identification with the wider state mass.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 5:58pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/51 "2026-07-13T17:58:37Z")
@Socrates
Yet you won’t talk about twenty five years of miltarism guided by corporate interests throughout the Middle East I bet.
Libertarians are silly.
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 6:26pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/52 "2026-07-13T18:26:41Z")
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> Communism and socialism was authoritarian enough in and of itself, it didnt need subsidiaries for it.
> It didnt play these “oh im not taking away your free speech, its facebook that is censoring you, not the government, so its perfectly legal and okay” games. It was up front about it: You submit or you go to the gulag.
Moussolini’s insight, what became the hallmark of fascism, is that it can be more energy efficient to force companies to submit to your dictums with threats, “disappearances,” “cancellation,” regulations and infiltration than to simply take formal ownership.
Ask yourself this: do the facebooks of the world, and the drones they generate, support higher taxes, more regulations, and generally a higher state prescence in every sphere of human life? Are the “regulations” they enforce internally in line with formal political socialist aims?
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 6:30pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/53 "2026-07-13T18:30:00Z")
Not to mention:
Show me a single modern day out and out neo nazi that doesn’t hate Trump.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 6:58pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/54 "2026-07-13T18:58:45Z")
@Socrates
If you hate Donald Trump that makes a person a neo-nazi?
What kind of logic is that?
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/55 "2026-07-13T19:00:21Z")
@Socrates
How does a society function without any state regulations? Surely the libertarian anarchist here can inform us how corporate anarcho feudalism works.
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 7:27pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/56 "2026-07-13T19:27:23Z")
> [@MrAuthoritarian](#):
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> Fascism argues for corporatism from private interests, that’s why calling socialists or communists advocates of fascism makes no sense. Socialism and communism argues things in the name of public interests, not private ones.
And what is the public interest you speak of?
Thats right, whatever the benevolent leader(s) decree.
We are just talking two separate kinds of authoritarianism.
One has extra steps and manifests it’s will through subsidiaries, the other does not and it’s direct.
You are correct that there is a difference, but that distinction is kind of pointless considering the end result.
My teeth will be kicked in under both of those regimes when i try to speak up.
> [@MrAuthoritarian](#):
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> Certainly socialists and communists can be authoritarians like my username namesake, but to call them fascists makes no sense.
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> Collectivism \> individualism.
Again: Correct in theory, but moot point in the practice.
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 7:36pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/57 "2026-07-13T19:36:02Z")
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> And what is the public interest you speak of?
> Thats right, whatever the benevolent leader(s) decree.
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> We are just talking two separate kinds of authoritarianism.
Also, it’s not true. Fascism also operates in the “public interest.”
That’s what defines fascism. Society \> individual.
That’s also why the name “fascie” to begin with. It literally means knot, and refers to a bundle of sticks tied together, the sticks representing the people.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 7:47pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/58 "2026-07-13T19:47:19Z")
@Socrates
Fascism answers to the interests of private corporate shareholders Lolbert.
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/59 "2026-07-13T19:50:19Z")
> Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived in their relation to the State.
- Benito Mussolini, “The Doctrine of Fascism” (1932), quoted in _The New York Times_ (11 January 1935)
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### Author:  [@Socrates](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Socrates)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2026, 7:51pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/addressing-the-growing-fascist-movement-in-the-united-states/85764/60 "2026-07-13T19:51:53Z")
Could have been a Sillicon Valley tech billionaire that wrote it.
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