Agaisnt Anti-Americanism.

The United States of America is not so much a nation or a country, as it is like an entire universe. A library of volumes devoted to the subject would be inadequate to describe the complexities of this society. There are many Americas. Hence, there are many different kinds of Americans who, understandably, often disagree about what America “is” not to mention what it “should be.”

No two of us have to agree about the essence of this fascinating nation in order for each of us or all of us to be right in what we say. Nearly anything you can say about the U.S. may be true from some perspective, and usually is.

If it is “true,” say, that an African-American young man growing up in the South Bronx, with a life-expectancy comparable to that of a young man in the war-torn Middle East and a young upper-middle class white woman in suburbia are both “Americans,” then we need to wonder again about what it really means to call someone an American, besides using the term as a convenient political label. What does it really mean to speak of an American today, especially when the designation is self-chosen?

In a foreign country, both the young African-American and the the young white woman are instantly recognizable to others as Americans. The key to that recognizability, I think, is a kind of confidence and ease, a sense of entitlement resulting from possessing the “correct” nationality in this world, which I assume to be comparable to what a Roman must have felt in the days of the empire.

Yet the most important part of being an American, for me, has to do precisely with the freedom to decide what it means to be an American and what America is, something which – to an astonishing degree by comparison with other places – is primarily each individual’s responsiblity in this country.

Is this sense of entitlement and privilege something that people should feel guilty about, to the extent that they recognize it at all? Does it have something to do with the epidemic of anti-Americanism in the world at the moment? Perhaps.

No discussion of anti-Americanism will be very helpful unless some definitions and clarifications are established at the outset. By anti-Americanism I do not mean a willingness to criticize the United States government or the war in Iraq or any particular politician, whether Republican or Democrat. Criticizing the country and complaining about politicians is as American as apple pie, however American that is.

I certainly do not care what anyone, anywhere, thinks of George W. Bush or his “War on Terror,” neither does he probably. Furthermore, the U.S. Constitution encourages and protects the right of persons to do exactly that, to criticize the government, especially when that government pursues a controversial military policy.

As for my own views, although I was against the war in Iraq, I do not believe that the efforts of the U.S. in that nation can now be permitted to fail. Whatever one thinks of the details of Mr. Bush’s “War on Terror,” it seems clear that in the aftermath of the 9/11 events, something like that effort was called for. Domestically, the Bush administration is much more liberal than people realize: some of its proposals for increasing access to health care, for example, and coping with financial pressures to ensure continuing access to higher education are nothing less than admirable, whatever one’s politics or opinions of Mr. Bush himself may be.

Areas of concern include the encroachments on civil liberties and the growing secrecy in governmental actions, but these are the sorts of criticisms that might be levelled at any American administration under these trying circumstances.

Jonathan Tepperman has argued, persuasively, that criticism ceases to be constructive or meaningful or sane, for that matter, and becomes blatantly anti-American, when it is primarily vindictive and insulting. For instance, when the U.S. is caricatured as suffering from an “unfree press” by nations that imprison its critics, or as a non-functioning democracy by one of the world’s dictatorships, I reach for my barf bag.

To call President Bush a “Nazi” is more than irresponsible, especially when it happens in Germany of all places. To suggest that there is no “real dissent” in this country or that Americans are all “fat and stupid” is more than a little off the mark. Some are; some are not. The point is that similar remarks made about any other country on the basis of such appalling stereotypes would immediately call forth condemnations and outrage. You can say anything insulting about Americans and it is O.K., as far as the international community is concerned. It should not be.

The United States is powerful and rich. American culture and popular media are overwhelmingly dominant in the world not because Americans are all “fat and stupid,” but because many (including the present writer, I hope!) are not. This power, wealth and the attractiveness of so much American culture inspires a great deal of resentment and envy. Let me say it again: envy. Americans are hated precisely because of their freedom and creativity, because of what they have done in the twentieth century, which has led to a success that everyone now wishes to emulate. If you doubt this, look at the way people are dressed anywhere these days. Take a look at the movies they go to, the expressions they use, and so on. To condem the U.S. while doing your best to resemble an American cinema star and mouthing rock-n-roll lyrics is a little ridiculous.

It is regrettably true that Americans are often ignorant of the cultural achievements of others. Americans are disinclined to bother learning much about subjects that are unlikely to lead immediately to increased wealth, with some notable exceptions. On the other hand, many of the world’s greatest scholars, on the impractical subject of your choice, are located in the U.S. – and this includes some of the world’s most fascinating philosophers, people like Richard Rorty, Martha Nussbaum, Cornel West, Robert C. Solomon, Robert Pippin and lots of others. We forget that these people are right here, in the good old U.S. of A. In fact, it is Professor Rorty who writes: “Most of us, despite the outrage that we feel about governmental cowardice or corruption, and despite our despair over what is being done to the weakest or poorest among us, still identify with our country. We take pride in being citizens of a self-invented, self-reforming, enduring Constitutional democracy. We think of the United States as having glorious – if tarnished – national traditions.” “Philosophy and Social Hope” (New York: Penguin, 1999), p. 252.

If American cultural ignorance is a national character flaw, something I admit, then by comparison with the national character flaws of others – such as the tendency to replace political leaders by means of assassination or the stoning of adulterers who happen to be women, both practices which made a comeback recently in some countries that have criticized the U.S. – cultural ignorance simply does not seem like such a terrible thing.

While the U.S. is far from perfect, it is better than many other places in the world. Our criticisms of America are often the result of our high or maybe unrealistic expectations for this country, together with our tendency to foget that it is a human society, like any other. This is something its critics should bear in mind too.

After the recent Tsunami, the U.S. was immediately criticized by a U.N. official for “only” contributing 35 million dollars. Actually, the U.S. eventually contributed more like 350 million dollars and the logistical means by which aid could be distributed to the needy. The U.S. is the single greatest donor of humanitarian aid in the world, a fact that hardly fits the “greedy-American-capitalist” stereotype and which gets little publicity. Individual European nations with their own shameful histories of colonialism and empire are often, proportionately, far less generous and are hardly in a position to denigrate the moral achievements of others. But they do anyway and I am tired of it.

So I do not want to hear any more knee-jerk anti-Americanism, fueled by hypocrisy, from people who should know better, especially when most of them would do anything for a green card.

In part it is your attitude that perpetuates what you seem most to object too.
We dont all want a green card! We dont all think the US would be a great place to live.
And we certainly dont want you to make us behave the way you do in our own countries. When the world says to the US as a country we dont agree with this, say through an organizeation like the UN, and the US chooses to ignore what we are saying they in effect are saying to the rest of us “might is right, we do what we like, because we are the correct nationality”. Being like the roman empire is a good thing? is expansionism the only way? Its not about being anti american, its about being anti needless war, and about being allowed to be ourselves without having to worry about the bully next door.

If you think I am anti american consider this. Some of the most important lessons I learned in life come from the Lakota people and thier ways, and they are americans too, at least they are now, like it or not.

a few points, friedrich

there does not exist an american nation. the word nation denotes a political construct born in post feudal europe. much of the value associated with the term is in fact the result of napoleon’s wars. he proved how a new way of defining collective identity can be used to get alot more out of the same old limited resources. a relatively poor france, approximately a tenth of europe by land, population and economical power managed to crush most of europe, marched all the way to moscow and while the duke of wellington was still busy cooking, scared the shit out of the brits, too.
according to that line of reasoning about what a nation is, the us is not inhabited by a nation. first and foremost because it is much much too large, geographically. nothing bigger than texas can be a nation, in the classical sense, just as nothing much larger than a single town can reasonably be a state-republic. secondly, because it does not have a metropolis. a nation must always have a metropolis, because it is organised radially from the metropolis. the us has at best two metropolae. the list of reasons is really endless. i defy the supporters of the concept the us is in fact a nation to produce the deffinition by which us is a nation, and if they feel so inclined, compare that to what people who invented the notion thought it would be.

i propose the concept of the american notion is nothing but a convenient fiction, just as the japanese emperor called himself a divine being, much like the pharaohs insisted they are of divine descendence, just as the russian tzars insisted their capitol is “the third rome” the word tzar is a corruption of cesar, and the history was used as a way to justify in the ideal their rule. just so, the concept of the american nation, which was not much entertained by the founders of that country (it is a country, yes, even if it is not a nation) arose sometime in the wake of the first world war to simplify the process of governing the monster. because government usually needs to rely on some shared fiction about what the world is.

i further propose that the reason americans are instantly recognizable as americans has nothing to do with any self flattery such as a sense of freedom or derivatives thereof. it is a simple fact americans are uncouth, wether they live in the ghetto or in the suburbia. it is further wrong to assume american is the correct nationality worldwide simply because the air at home seems to indicate it. if you think otherwise, perhaps you should try and travel (i do not mean you personally. most of americans never leave their state of birth. as such, ofcourse all sorts of fictions about what it means to be american in other places, or what it means to be french for what matter are rampant). particular places in irak nowadays, just as well chosen spots in yugoslavia a couple years back, or in viet nam before that, or in russia, or in china, or in germany, or in japan might have proven particularly instructive.

your comparison with what the roman citizen might have felt is perhaps not very forced. to think romans were welcome outside their empire is very naive however. they were maybe welcome walking roast beef.

a few words on what you call the anti american epidemic. it is not an epidemic. it is the simple result of a very incompetent class of american diplomats, and very badly regulated class of american spies. while people in general might be uncouth and that eventually become an endeering characteristic, just as the german precision and linguistic prolixity, but poor manners and lack of tact will never benefit a diplomat.

what you call an epidemic, thus making a probably unconscious attempt at misplacing the cause is the reaction of people who have lived a certain way a certain period and do not understand why someone else should have a call. something not that remote from what you would gladly call “the american spirit”

your holier than thou approach to criticism is very unfounded, i suspect. a dictator might be in the best possition to notice that the us is not in fact the free country it takes itself for, or as free as it takes itself for. people putting critics in prison might be the most qualified to spot a not free press. it should make no difference to the merit of the point what the critic himself does.

with respect to how the international community (which is in fact mostly the european community and their respective sattelites) couldnt care less and will certainly not mind if anyone throws mud at the us, you have to remember that us is the country that, in defiance of all the international bits of law we, all of us, put together painfully and slowly at the end of world war 2, to prevent world war 3, unilaterally and unsuportedly declared war for no reason. the lucky circumstance that it did it to someone to weak to offer much challenge changes little. the us has little claim in international circles to any sort of respect anymore. to say “i will not appologize for the us, i dont care what the facts are” after violating teritorial waters and shooting missiles with no warning at a commercial aircraft that crashed as a result is one thing. to invade a country by yourself, for yourself is another. i for one am surprised anyone even receives us “diplomats” anymore.

wether the us is powerfull and rich, or bush, the corporations and their respective owners are is entirely a matter of debate, and your young negro from above will definitely have something to say on the matter.

let me make it clear that americans are not hated because they are rich. americans are a relatively poor country, with respect to their gdp per capita. nordic countries, japan, etc make more money than them. consequently, they are richer. nobody hates norway, do they ? who hates taiwan ? to quote aerosmith, “but the reason a dog has so many friends is it wags its tail instead of it tongue”

bear in mind that american success is a very relative concept. american success in the field of health providing and insuring is so blatant people would have the fits if they woke up with it one day. american technological success is an interesting proposition to the japanese for instance. for an exercice, name one product that the states hold the superior technology for. if your best find is hollywood…
and bollywood (bombay) and latin america already produce two thirds of the total consumed films. hollywood is no longer a standard really, except for its captive audience. rock and roll was a good approach back in the 70’s. rock is dead, music today has not the thousandth stirring power of what it had yonder. eminem is no john lennon. and frankly, few people outside the us care about eminem. oh hold on, lennon is in fact a brit. ooops… so yea, who sayd rock and roll is in any way an american invention again ? elvis is. and that guy, whats his name… the jew with the woman wrestling and the elvis impersonating…

americans are in fact ignorant of all cultural achievements, be it others or themselves. this is the unfortunate consequence of the disorganised way the abstract space exists in the states. if you have a metropolis, it will push models to you, and you will end up cultivated at least some. if you are “the only arbiter” you are bound to keep reinventing the weel. that is not culture sadly. note that the fact the worlds brightest minds are located in the us means little. them minds can come and go, if they want to live in reykjavik they will, who is to stop them ? but living there and being there are different things, i would suggest. and maybe it would help if you quoted what prof rorty has to say after 1999. after all not that many people were much bothered by the us back then.

on the count of the aid, there is no contest. the us is by far the greatest aid supplier in the world, which is always respectable, and respected. it is sad how much of the respective aid is misdirected, so it ends up in the various pockets of various self appointed local elites (such as, most recently, the oil for food programme that enriched saddam). if you want to help a country, issue a debit card for each citized and pay them five bucks a month, rather than pay its government a couple billions. but that is much besides the point. to be fair, one would have to notice that the us is by far the greatest destruction supplier to the world, either directly, by bombing them, or indirectly, by selling them bombs, often enough offering them aid so they can buy bombs, as an implied deal. thus the american public pays a couple billion, some officials in a foreign country get a couple million, and the us armament industry gets a couple billion market.

the reason why those other countries make more money on average is because they have the decency to pay their poor people more than we do, and for some reason there are few billionaires outside this black hole.

we do have the most wealth by very far. i think we actually have half the wealth in the world. something absolutely pathedic like that.

uh what if those things are very true. what if we, as a somewhat non-free press place told north koreans that their press wasnt free? would they scoff and call us hippocrites and not listen? probably. wouldnt that suck for them?

our leaders need all the nasty biting criticism that the world has breath for. they need the kind of criticism that rips through their chest and kills them. wait no thats bullets. they need bullets.

you need ice, or else that might turn into cerebral hemorrhagia

Zeno FELLER (hmm is that a sort of Rockofeller???)

Check the facts bit on on the oil for food thing, that was the UN not the US that screwed that one.

But seriously, it seems american hating is in fashion at the moment, mostly in America. Speaking as one that has been doing a bit of traveling lately I have not seen that much of it, at least not from the ‘man on the street’ - in fact my US dollars are pretty welcome and most people are more curious than anything else …

Politicians in various places like to pick on America, makes better press (who would bother to quote you tossing insults at the Canadians?).

well south park got pretty decent press, albeit nothing very mainstream.

Thanks for all the great comments.

It was a good post, Friedrich.

I know that my obnoxious behavior has inspired your post. Maybe you and the others think I talk outta my ass all the time, but remember this.

When I walk through the doors, sit down beside you at the bar, and admit that the only thing I know is that I know nothing at all, you punch me. But I’d be honest, and you won’t allow that. We would begin arguments about “truth” and “facts” and ‘a priori’ what nots, get to a point where you handed me this elaborate philosophy, and then claim to have figured it all out, finally to demand that there not be a drastic change in world order.

What you must remember is that I always challenge what is there, but only because I am honest, I’m not sure what is “right” yet. Keep in mind that I make this up as I go and you won’t get so angry at me. That’s my right, and when I breeze by you with these fantastic thoughts don’t try to trip me, its rude. Just tell me to calm down and watch for a while. No, keep philosophizing of course, just don’t feel obligated to post a story about America and feel like you’ve said something in its defense.

You may serve me hemlock, or call me a rock-and-roll star (which I am, mind you, just outta work presently 'cause the band broke up. We lost our singer and bassist :astonished: ), or a communist baastard (to a’s to indicate the British accent), or a proverbial dead cat. Its cool. I only mean well and I like you.

In fact I think I want democracy to stay. But it will be modified significantly. There is no doubt that people should feel like they are free and have a choice, or a vote, to determine their laws or their leaders. It is when the public is educated enough to have an average opinion that amounts to at least a three page Plato introductory book, that they will have a hand in their own destiny. Look at the world today. Then tell me I can’t try something new, and I’ll drink the potion.

Deal?

I had read that America spends .3% of its annual GDP on International aid… less than any other industrialized nation. I guess the source was mistaken. Damn pinko commie conspiracies! :Salutes a baby, and kisses the flag:

depends how you count it gtc. fact of the matter is a good half of the mid east lives mostly on american handouts, in some form or other. the rest live on the oil. pretty pathetic come to think about it

oh, yes, future man, did you notice my very odd and peculiar spelling of the english word pathetic ? well guess what. its not odd or peculiar. yours is.

Anti-americanism, like a phychological phobia and any abnomality, doesn’t dominate at all. What every non-american concerns about is the power of America, like sporting along with a big guy, caution is always there, then anoyance is so easily triggered by any big move the guy makes. American’s engagement in every major wars in modern times, made many extremists to develop Ati-americanism.

This particular concept makes many others to misconsider themselves as an Americahater, while in fact they are not. Who doesn’t enjoy a bottle of Cocacola? Who fails to like a blockbaster hit from Hollywood? How many men are not impressed by Madona? How many women do not notice those crazy cowboys?.. Which person dislike the idea of the American Dream? Mass emigration inflow right from the start of the nation’s history till now and many years to come, proves that America is the most popular country in the world by far.

By no means I’m trying to potrait Uncle Sam as a good old goat, I’m just not impressed by the anti idea, it remains me of Nazism, Capitalism, Communism, Racism and many more. Philosophy’s precious reasoning lucidity is so often darkened by things with a flavour of “sm”. But who’s it to say that what I’m trying to promote is not such a thing? There is a common ground, though the difference is significant enough to make me to favour mine, after knowing all those pittiful historical catastrophies caused by "sm"s.

i do not enjoy a bottle of coca cola. the stuff sucks. actually, the only time i bought a bottle in the past five years was to empty it in the sewer so the guy pressing fresh oranges could sell me a bottle of juice, not a cup. (you shoulda seen his face when he got what im up to btw )

a hollywood blockbuster is probably the most boring thing known to humanity, i would much rather eat paper shreds in bechamel sauce.

i am impressed by madonna, but not for anything to do with her being an american. oh and btw, she lives mostly in london and is called madge nowadays. so go figure.

and generally, people wouldnt care much about america, if it weren’t the americans widespread and insisstent belief that they in fact matter. fact of the matter is the problems of a few americans dont ammount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, and we mostly got other things to worry about neways.

I think this is how much of the world sees America:

“Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities.” – Winston Churchill

no, actually my experience with americans is best summed up by this joke :

a train somewhere in india, one thousand third class cars and one single first class, four seats, occupied by a brit and his wife on one side, a french woman and her pudel on the other. they converse in german ;p a very dusty and road-worked american comes in with a huge hangbag
“are there any empty seats ?” he looks at the french woman, she shakes her coiffure, he walks away. half an hour later he’s back, considerably more droopy-faced
“lady i been all the way and back in this train, its packed to the ceiling. would you mind moving your dog ? im really really very tired and this sack is heavy”
[in thick french accent] “oh the impudence ! cant you see puffy is sitting there ?”
man walks away, comes back another half hour later… eyes the woman, she stares back, with sudden decision picks the pudel up and throws it out the window.
the woman faints, and the brit adjusts his monocle, checks the guy out and says
[in very nasal british] “sir, you americans are the strangest kind. you eat holding the fork in the wrong hand. you drive on the wrong side of the road. and right now, you just threw the wrong bitch out the window”.

Try to think from a different angle. America is a piece of land, use to be inhabited by indians, then europeans and now, pratically anyone. The success stories about this land are well know and accepted world wide. These successes have benifited how many people who knows. You gain, I lose. America gains, somebody else loses. Why not gain if can, keep on gaining and gaining until someone more powerful come out and take over. This is the way of the animal society, actually, the plant society too.

America has the best human has, you want to live with it peacefully and friendly to trade and share with its wealth. You don’t want to arm yourself up and having an aggressive eye on it, for you’ll pay big.

The United States did infact pledge 350 million dollars, but it is the wealthiest country in the world by a long shot, and other countries that have just a fraction of the American economy are pledging double. Take for example Australia who just anounced it was pledging 765M, or Germany who is pledging 674M in aid.

It’s like a guy who makes 100,000 dollars are year pledging 35 dollars to a charity, and a guy who makes 10,000 dollars a year pledging 70 dollars a year to the same charity. It just doesn’t add up, the man making 100,000 is a greedy-capitalist compared to the guy making 10,000, no matter how you look at it. Perhaps you should look at the percentage of world wealth the United States controls, and compare that to the percentage of the world Humanitarian aid the U.S. expends before you praise this country for it’s glorious 350M dollar gift.

And any other first world country is different? Tell me Fried, if the 250 year old United States has developed a society that fills are universe, the how many multiverses would the social structure of say England fill? I don’t think you can recognize that this is common to all countries, and while the diversity of our society is astounding, it hardly compares the a society that has been cradled by a 1,000 years.

If you don’t want to be preceived as fat and stupid, you might want to quit thinking that our culture is somehow “special”, and that we all have “this sense of entitlement and privilege”.

Sorry admin., I thought this was in another forum.

Who would you folks have replace us then? that is the question. To pretend that America might fall and no hegemon or superpower would replace her, that a peaceful multipolar system would emerge is naive crap. Who would you have replace the US? China? Russia? France? Germany? The English? India? who exactly? Thank your lucky stars you live in an age of unipolarity.

By the way, Zeno, nobody can write better than the Americans. So fuck ya’

No countries exist as we know them now should replace the us. I believe however, a new generation of nations that would eventually replace america, would exceed america in almost all fields. The question is: which ever those countries maybe, will they piss off the world as much as america; or will they decide to have such an approach that would reflect the spiritual prosperity in the future of the human society, which should be as rich as the material.