I agree that I believe that we were all born into sin, as the BIBLE says
I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sin
and we have yet to identify that sin.
We like to think it’s a multitude of sins.
I am here to tell you there is but one sin
one sin to cover all sin
one target for humanity to aim it’s benonviolent sword.
All humanity has to do is care.
I believe that santa claus is going to bring me presents this year.
I believe that unicorns are out there.
I believe that some witch put a spell on me.
I believe in teeth fairy.
I believe some people can do magic.
I believe the earth is flat.
i disagree
unless you can name, specifically, what I did wrong upon birth
i refuse to accept blame because somebody else ate the apple
I understand that!!
But not the blame,the consequences!
Is there no twinge in you to get “up” on the next man?
you know,like crabs in a barrel are ok long as you’re not on the bottom
Plus it is said “born into” doesn’t mean you had sinned.
It means sin was all around you. It was your atmosphere along with mammas milk if you were lucky.
I believe you to be petty and arrogant when it concerns you interactng with anyone who is religous or spiritual.
We are all living with the consequences of our ancestors actions. Go on.
Thank you
Thank you
We will come to understand there is only one sin. That covers all sin as the Blood of Jesus covers our sin. the reason he suffered and died for me. To give me the opportunity to find and renounce the sin he died for. PRAISE HIS NAME I"M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW. But please tell me if you think I missed something.
Then don’t. I don’t know about organized Christian religions (I’m a non-practicing RC–idolaters in some Christian religions, so I’ve been told,) but all your denial of Original Sin would mean, imm, is that you’re not a Christian. Original Sin is called the ‘Sin’ of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It was meant to explain to religiously primitive people why man suffers and dies. It’s really a parable, imm; as such, it has many levels of meaning. How the Tree of Knowledge came to mean an apple tree, I don’t know–if it were a tree at all, it could have been a fig tree or a date palm, or anything more indigenous to the area.
If you did anything ‘wrong’ at birth, it was to cause your mother pain and you both stress during your birthing. Most people would say, “Meh–that’s only natural, not a sin. I had no control over that!” That’s true. Theologians wrestled with the question for generations. Some decided that while only Adam (and Eve?) bore the guilt of the first sin, humanity bore the results. Augustine of Hyppo ‘solved’ the ‘problem’ by saying the results of the first sin were passed down from generation to generation because Adam and Eve had children–it became an ‘inherited’ trait.
Anyway, to delve into the concept of Original Sin may be a very difficult, but possibly rewarding, thread. If it gets too religious, however, I question whether or not it belongs in the Religious Forum. We’ll see. 
The word doesn’t say born a sinner.It says born into sin.
chew on that .
I am saying there is one sin we were all born into that gave “birth to many desguieses” of the original sin. The reason to bite the apple.
Or the fig or the date–
You asked:
I told you my conjecture, only I said ‘during the birthing process.’ I don’t think you ‘sinned’ after you were born or, as you say, “…upon birth”–unless you, with supreme cunning and deliberation, vomited or pooped on your mother’s breast. Even then, it would be natural, wouldn’t it?
I agreeing with you! All I’ve done is try to show you the background for the theology–in a very excised review.
I don’t know what ‘word’ you’re quoting. If it’s the word of the NT, blame Paul in Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22. Paul had his own ideas about Jesus’ teachings. Yet he never met Jesus–never heard what he said–Paul interpreted what he’d been told Jesus said at probably fourth or fifth hand. He had his own agenda.
And I agree with you. Jesus’ concern was humanity not a church
Well, I think the strong implication is that there is a constant and unyielding negative balance of sin. In Catholicism especially, sin is seen as almost a natural state into which everyone is born and which only faith can liberate them from.
Even when I was fully Christian, I didn’t really believe in the concept of being ‘born in to sin’. It strikes me as a concept that was pushed for the purpose of control: make people feel guilty from the outset, and they’ve always got a good reason to donate some money to you to save themselves. The Church is on a constant mission to make people guilty simply for being born at all and for being human.
As a philosophical concept, I think it trivializes the concept of ‘sin’, to allow ‘sin’ to be involuntary, and to allow it to be ‘washed away’ by faith. This summarizes everything that’s wrong with Church to me: sin should be something that you do wrong, forgiveness should be something that you earn for yourself. The Church dwelled so much on the concept of original sin, primarily because they wanted to emphasize their own ‘ability’ to wash this sin away. Both falsehoods should be guarded against by Christians, but especially the latter.
Theologically speaking, the concept that comes from Romans. Personally, I see Romans as being the first human interpretation of Christianity, and therefore an imperfect one (all the gospels have, of course, an element of human interpretation, too).
I expect more from a deity than just adding more guilt for being alive. I am sure Jesus was doing his best, but what a horrible thing to have done.
What is there to find?
Jesus’ sacrifice removes all past sins - original sin, sins of your family, sins of your society. You start with a clean slate and a set of teachings for living life. You are responsible for your own actions.
why should you feel guilty for loving your brother. You should feel guilty if you don’t
Prove that Jesus’ concern was not His church when he was alive.
This is a religious proposition, not a philosophical thesis. Moved appropriately.
The Bible says that Man is born into Sin. So why are women excluded from this? Why do women remain blameless in terms of Accusation?
Christ, our Lord thy God, died specifically to fulfill the central Prophesies of His time. He was an Anarchist, against Jews, who had made their religion into Business transactions, into a perverted religion only caring for money, as it still exists today. He was an Anarchist, against Romans, who felt no need to give Duty or Tithes to Cezar. His betrayal, by the Jews, and not by the Romans, demonstrates why Jews have become so despised for fully two thousand years after rejecting Their King. Jews refuse to Bow down, and this is the source of all Christian hatred and despise against Jews. Jews have the audacity to refuse Humility, to refuse to Kneel, in front of God Himself made flesh. He was the ultimate difference, the Saint of Saints, to separate the Jewish Temple (God as feminine, Woman) from Cezar’s Temple (God as masculine, Man).
“Sex” is what is intended by the word “Sin”.
Then tell us the nature of your Sin.
He cared and healed and felt for humanity as a whole.His “church” consisted of a lot of people who didn’t go to church.His mission was outside the walls of the church.
The nature of all sin is being intent to cheat humanity. who would have ever been able to put this movement into motion. Unless it was planned from the beginning. the one sin is being a bitch. the one thing that slaps the offender in the face. You’re a being intent to cheat humanity if you react violently or get upset because people look at you and your conscience tells you “they’re looking at you like a bitch” and by law, they are right. plead no contest and throw yourself on the mercy of humanity. and if that one sin covers everything,Humanity is the real religion.It covers everything and everybody