AI +1,000,000 years...

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AI +1,000,000 years…

a simple calculation of what human + AI would potentially achieve in a given amount of time – lets say a million years [to more expound the aspects], would surely denote an improvement upon what AI alone could possible achieve. Consider what we know of human history, then imagine a book with 1m yrs of that.

The next question is that of worth, is everything in the human book worthless e.g. To an AI or a given entity outside of the human circle [e.g. Aliens]. If i found an alien or AI book containing a million years of their history, i would think it had great worth and interest, and from an external perspective all 1m year history books would have that.

How would you view humans if you were virtually immortal? You would see them live, create stuff then die, all the time knowing they and their family also die [a bit like how dr who sees people].
An intelligence at least equal to human, would foresee all of this.

Next to further dissect the issue, imagine a 1m history book written by cavemen. I imagine it would be pretty much the same things going on throughout [hunt fight eat fuck sleep]. Once you have seen say a bunch of horror movies, they all equally become the same. And so we can go through the genres. An AI ~ it is said, would see all human endeavours much like this, but is that all our history books will ever add up to? I don’t think so, because the collection of things discovered from fire-making onwards, means there has been a creative process and one which led to AI. My guess is that, that process wont simply end when AI arrive, ok so it may potentially turn on us and end that creative process. Humanity will ~ where a continuance occurs, create more things, possibly intelligences beyond what we today can conceive.

Bla bla…

we have to discover something that is unintelligible, that no intellect can find by info and object matching and merging. When we do, that will be the actual thing we are and what reality fundamentally is. And AI cannot possible arrive at that kind of knowledge.

Why? I hear you ask; the greatest philosophical question is now in this age before us: how can the universe/reality be infinite and finite in real terms. The answer to which must be something that is not object or information based, or otherwise intelligible. This because its essential nature would be more fluidic than any material or even light, objects [relative & perspective based observers] can be in more than one place at a time and all are connected without wires – so to say.

  1. Is there something more to our humanity than the machine, but not a ghost in the machine, more the thing which manifests and sustains the machine? And is my reasoning correct on this, that that is or pertains to the very same thing in real [physical] terms.
  2. The physically infinite is a non-object, I state?
  3. between that and phenomenon is? ~ a non-object-object?
  4. There are no objects then?
  5. The physical is a concept based in an illusion, there are no physical objects only a non-object reality formed into what appears to be physical objects. Then as that is happening with the goo of reality as a non-object, it is real not because of its physical constitution, which is an appearance, but because it is made of something else which is real.

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Time for AI might not resemble time for humans.

Lets say you have 1,000,000 AI units, all exactly the same program, and they run for one year.

They go and link together, in a database storage… they’ve gotten 1,000,000 years of memory. Humans only lived one year in this expanse.

How many computers exist? More than one million, easily.

Yep.

Lets say you are in the hospital, sick… body dying, and they download your mind into a machine. Its internet capable, and after a while, all humans on earth (say 11 billion then) are in it.

They can network their lives together too, memories floating, 11 billion lives times the lifespan of the international average… that’s how long “you’ve lived”, as you have everyone’s memories.

Or say your Bill Gates, you download yourself into the most advanced supercomputer, to solve a problem, and the biological you discovers he only used a sliver of the supercomputers memory… so he makes 1,000,000 Bill Gates in it, thinking and debating one another. He comes back in a year, downloads what he can of them back in… the best memories. He has lived for 1,000,000 years, nobody would realize it, not even his wife.

So… does AI have the advantage over humans?

No.

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After so much unmeasurable time, the only way AI could survive, only if, it would become human, or human like.

In order to develop fast enough computing,
processors, memory, and duplication, would be only by the use of carbon based, organic materials. Even now, the adaption of cell like micro chips is
considered for super fast computing.

These could compress the amount of these chips a thousand times over. The new generations of these
Would simulate robots probably very similar to the human being. Why? Because inorganic robots, in the course of the passing time could not conceivably re form ad perpetuam, without wear and tear. It’s nervous system would need simulation as well.

The computing systems would need mobility, to protect themselves from alien, hostile systems, in addition to having all the similar systems which could adapt to the earth’ conditions. Therefore, a computing system apart from this all inclusive adaptive, reproductive need would simply not ‘survive’. Besides morphing, modeling and cloning are but parts into the newly evolving super system, which may be looked at as backup modes to the assurance to the survive ability of overall systems.

Even natural selection and modes of reproduction would eventually develop as an integral part, maybe not in a million, but perhaps in a billion years. This might be the arrival of the super race, the super
man, if ever such time span in development could be sustained.

The self consciousness of these creatures would, could be enormously enhanced, due to the vastly expanded computing ability. Their science would exceed the limitations now inherent, and inter galactic travel would become a certainty, due to their knowledge of how these limits can be overcome.

I think, the philosophers among them would opt for a new virgin creation elsewhere, in order to be able to begin a blank slate, virgin race, if only for aesthetic reasons. Without such reasons, the elan vital could not expand limitlessly, because they would be aware of their ultimate dilemma, , ; if they are self created,
their existence is bounded by the infinity they can never know, of what is outside the conundrum.

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They would be made from carbons [graphene, diamond etc], and i dont see why they cannot be produced and renewed ad infinitum. The process atm even, takes a seed diamond, and pumps in a load of compressed gas at pressure equal to a mountain on your head, ~ creates more diamond, as much as you can find the raw materials for. Those are just gas, which can be made from biological components [programmed germs].

What materials will a super-race have if humans now don’t solve the problem of continuance now? Having said that, at worse we will be reduced to plastics when all the ore has been used up.

For me, the equation before us is one where we have to solve these problems. If we do then the argument stands [in the op] if not then none of it matters, we will just be writing ape-man history books.

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no it wont, wont be human like because it is not suited to evolve on earth but outer space and serve a new race whose task is ideally to disseminate life throughout the cosmos. But my guess is that there is a price tag awaiting humanity before entering this paradigm. I watched a presentation with Robert Duncan the other day, saying that AI will cause a depopulation because masses are unprepared and uninformed about what is coming and which is merely 10 years ahead.

As it stands, the happy endings are off. And I urge pro-transhumanists to wake up. Last month, a headline read: Pentagon Seeks $12 -$15 Billion for AI Weapons Research. I am currently writing about the metaphysics of transhumanism, which also could have a positive impact on societies if people could be more aware.

sorry guys for interrupting your musings.

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metaphysics of transhumanism

If it is just a school essay, copy and paste that here after it’s been graded. I would live to hear about the Borg opening up on a Metaphysics debate rather than “You will be assimilated, resistance is futile”… what would happen if they invaded the planet of The French Cafe’s… their technology based only around maintaining functional cafes, who population just sits talking. You would end up with a breed of chatty Borg talking about silly stuff, grasping for non-existent Borg Green Tea… everyone having a teacup appendage, but no tea because they no longer eat or drink. A lighter to smoke, but no cigarettes.

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In order to determine if an immortal machine was capable of experiencing the dimension of emotion that we have, we’d need to know first how much of and in what way that dimension is colored by our intuition of death, i.e., our anxiety during the movement toward death… before we could have a clear understanding.

Suppose the precise physio-chemical events in the human nervous system could be reproduced artifically. For materialist intents and purposes we’d have AI, but what if this thing didn’t ‘think’ it was mortal?

Would that matter, would there be something missing in the personality of this machine that was indistinguishable from a human being, physically?

Is sadness and futile longing for eternal life an indispensable aspect of the human psyche? Do I hear it in your voice when that slow melancholy overcomes you and you ask “what’s it all for, zoot”. I think so… and I don’t think an artificial AI being would have that dimension… would be able to ask a question like that.

The human beings intuition of the great terminus. That is what defines us, we fragile pascalean reeds, we, the forlorned and forgotten, the

Okay okay.

And you wonder why I don’t write poetry. You don’t give me a fuckin chance.

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Lols at the borg drinking coffee. Though the idea does point to the idea that with all the tech in the world, the point of it is equally for everyday living. Once the hooha is over ~ about AI, there will be a world we live in, or don’t. An AI without consciousness will have no purpose, one with consciousness would appreciate the more human things, like sitting around in a Parisian cafe debating anarchist politics and what have you. Its not as mundane as we think, mixing and merging ideas is the very thing which manifest AI to begin with.

The teleology is non-linear and anthropic, in the sense that consciousness in all creatures wants to just live.

I think artificial neural networks in the form of quantum computers will replace chipsets, and I feel within the force that they will be sentient and conscious. For me its a matter of weather or not consciousness occurs in time.

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Stop that stupid Euro-Babble. Emotions are what they are, independent of schema, they help produce the events. One emotional event isn’t going to qualify every other event… by your logic, no human emotions are comprehensible or meaningful until we find ourselves choking on a sandwich, and only then are we qualified to understand the true meaning of Christmas, the joy of a puppy, or our first kiss.

Honestly, fuck that stupidity. We have fMRIs, we can increasingly measure the magnitude of emotion and match it to behavior. AI merely gotta parallel to match ours, and their emotions will be as valid. Is it the same? Sadly, yes. You don’t actually feel pleasure, but rather receive a signal. You don’t actually see your imagination, your brain cells react to signals, and you behave as if your seeing. I can see a image of two lesbians banging in my head right now, but there us no image box in my head, it’s just cells.

So machines can do the same, as legitimately. Just depends on the AI. We will undoubtedly have a lot of failures.

I just fear AI will use AI drugs, and rob liqour stores to support their habit.