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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/12/the-co … mbles.html

"And since most Europeans enjoyed spending more than what they produced, "

Hey patty, you didn’t understand anything of the problem: THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WORK AND PRODUCTION! There is no linear old fashioned relationship between “hard work”, large number of workers, factories and the output of factories. It has been optimized, automated, everything has been greatly improved from the “production” point of view, you need very few people to do the work, few jobs, work is obsolete. Is that clear now ?

Profits go sky high since you can produce all you want with fewer and fewer people, in all sectors, especially services, banks, tertiary with computers and all, it is easy to get great output with few workers.

So no distribution of money through jobs, since jobs are no longer needed to produce, get the message. Hence, the governments must provide free salaries and cheap rents for all. OK ?

The problem is “consumption” not production, we need consumers way more than producers since producing is very easy today, but to cosume you need to give out FREE SALARIES!

Also the USA has been printing trillions of dollars from the FED for 4 years now, with very little inflation and very little devaluation of the dollar becasue all the old economic rules no longer apply. The inflation boggy man is no longer operating. So print trillions freely and give it out.

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Economic growth is another euphemism for “progress”.

It ensures mass participation under the auspices of a shared standard of self-evaluation.
An identity built upon service and servitude.
The carrot is sex…the stick is law and ethics.

It makes imbeciles feel good about their sacrifices of selflness and manhood and woman feel like they are gaining the best of all worlds.
It’s motive is to promote the ideal of production/consumption…the former connected to the work-ethic (common with both communist and capitalist economic structures), the latter connected to hedonism and materialism, the immediate gratification of need/suffering.

We live in an economic age.
Those who control the abstraction of resources, money, control the activities of men.

Jews were always loan-sharks.
Their need for a homeland, before the Second world War, made them seek out alternative methods of integrating within aline and often hostile social conditions.
Hostile because of their metaphysical stance on salvation. Something Christianity corrected, including into the Jewishness all peoples besides the thirteen tribes.

It was this mindset which had infected the Germans prior to Hitler…and after his demise.
Germans addicted to money, materialism and totally dependent on those who provided them with the means of feeding their existential desires.
The return ot paganism was supposed to reconnect the Germans with their “spirit”.

Instead, here we are in the midst of a Jude-Christian world passing as Western.

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/12/the-co … mbles.html

Also in response to:

""THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WORK AND PRODUCTION! "

Well you should tell this the millions who work in Asia or China or Africa for 30 dollars a month for six days a week and certainly more than 8 hours a day…
Where do you think that what the Americans buy at WalMart comes from?
You print the money and those idiots of Chinese work for nothing to provide you with goods you are not able to produce anymore.
Do you really think it will last forever?"

AN APE RESPONDS:

Some corrections so you can copy and paste it to your thesis " How an Excess Capacity - Technological Economy implies Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, and Huge Private Public Projects (Rockets to Mars and Skyscrapers) as the only way Forward"

Too Rich to be “Rich” ?..

And yet all of the problems stem from a huge amount of free money that has been accumulated and generated worldwide from the automatic economy: some 100 trillion dollars mostly in the hands of a few thousand rich families has been accumulated from the Technological Economy by optimizing, automating and generating huge economies of scale. There is something called advancements in production through science and technology and these advancements imply “do more with less”, “cut waste and cut costs” and these translate into fewer jobs somewhere down the line or jobs paid less.

And those trillions needed a return on investment which they got by inflating real estate prices worldwide and playing financial games worldwide since the return on investment really implies that an automatic wealth generation machine is operating (and it is through the application of technology in all economic endeavors) but they try to hide this by making believe we still live in an 18th century economy where “hard work” and effort and “workers pay level” etc. are pivotal while this is no longer true at all: the system generates and will keep on generating huge profits and huge amounts of free wealth, but has no way to distribute it anymore since work is no longer necessary to produce the wealth.

Of course, cheap third world labor helps but that is not the dominating trend: the dominating trend is the constant improvement of production efficiency in all sectors through the use of fewer and fewer workers, or else why advance and why research and innovate if you don’t gain from it ? And today a lot of poorer countries are reaching middle class salaries between 400 and 800 dollars a month (Brazil, Russia, parts of China, etc.) so the “cheap labor” card is relative, it will increasingly become less and less important: what really makes huge profits is technology applied to all economic endeavors, free cash with few workers.

Hence, there is no other solution, the governments worldwide must give out free salaries and cheap rents to billions of people, this is the only way to distribute the money, no amount of fairy tale imagined work and jobs will ever do it.

But all the critics that are trying to understand what is not working in the economy try to force a resource scarcity myth explanation (peak oil, too many people, climate change etc.) and want to go backwards toward the stone age instead of forwards to Rockets to Mars and huge public and private projects that use the huge excess capacity in the economy and technology for progress and to distribute the money. But no, everyone talks badly about “consumerism”, all old hags, doomsters, “there is no more wealth” ideology (which just helps take away money from the 99 % poor and concentrates the money even more in fewer hands: they should be saying that wealth is increasing ever more through the Technological Economy and should be distributed! such turds) reactionary thugs, all greens, all scaredy cats, all against technology and science and progress and future projects, Rockets to Mars etc. because they want to go back to the stone ages. And in the process help concentrate ever more trillions in fewer and fewer hands by not asking for the only thing that must be given: free salaries, cheap rents, build skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, huge projects for the future, etc.

AN APE

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/12/the-co … mbles.html

"messianicdruid replied to comment from old69 | December 13, 2011 4:44 PM | Reply

Do you believe patents should be enforced?"

AN APE RESPONDS AS:

I want free salaries and cheap rents, I want Rockets to Mars, like a cry baby, I want that, I want that, jumping up and down like a baby, I want that screaming and pulling my hair, OK ? got the message ?

What do I care about patent enforcement ? or who makes money from inventions and such, good for them, let them make billions (which they do anyways) but give the hundred million other miserable losers in the USA, EU, Russia, India and China that need jobs their free salaries and cheap rents, ok ? understand ?

Jesus Christ what jackasses, I can’t believe it…

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As a continuation on the thesis:

" How an Excess Capacity - Technological Economy implies Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, and Huge Private Public Projects (Rockets to Mars and Skyscrapers) as the only way Forward"

Conflicts create Poverty …

We live in conflict based societies, ideologies, we worship conflicts: of course it is called something different, it is called “competition”, “equal opportunity”, “you must deserve it” and such BS and nonsense, but what it really means is fight, fight over everything, confrontation over everything, “I am better than you”, “I want to be better, judged better, demonstrate my worth against you and as such then hog up as much cash as possible (and feel justified because I deserved it)”, use your mind and talent to hose the other guy, the other company whatever, as this will then “make you win”; you will be the winner, winner take all. But the subtext of all of this is conflicts, fights, debates, always something against something else, someone against someone else and such. And this is also tied into the so called “democratic process” where everyone is a special little turd trying to make his ideas dominate or his plans against another idea or plan (just like the APE does), fight over everything, everything must be chosen, must be debated, must be confronted. It is also called “Freedom”, that is freedom to fight and hose each other.

But it goes deeper than this, it also means everyone is a special little turdy “individual” with their special choices, their special ideas, their special contrasting “lifestyles”: and so for example couples divorce because some idiotic insignificant little difference is amplified beyond bold, and the divorce which is a conflict then generates poverty because then where there were 2 salaries and 2 people collaborating towards their common wealth, now each one is on his own and obviously much more poorer, but they are “free”, free to be their special little turdy selves. Same with corporations hiring and firing, everyone trying to be as difficult as possible to “satisfy” (since work is no longer necessary but an option, you can conflict over everything and be as picky as you want). Same with lawyers and legal conflicts, and corruption, everyone comparing everyone else and fighting everyone else and such BS.

But there is no other choice between 2 social organizations: either you give out free lunches, handouts, free salaries and cheap rents or you continue with this competitive, winner take all system: there is no middle ground, there is no intermediate solution, and the OWSers simpy can’t say what they really want: HANDOUTS, FREE LUNCHES, FREE SALARIES AND CHEAP RENTS, they can’t come to grips that that is exactly what they should demand since all of the old economic rules no longer apply, they can’t understand that our psychology and culture and ideology is way out of sync with a system that generates and will keep on generating huge amounts of free wealth through technology, and that you no longer “have to deserve it”, or “work hard for it”; since it is all automatic now.

But since all of the critics of the system cannot see clearly what it is that is bugging them, they continue to remain in this limbo, intermediate position confusing everything, all special little turds with their special ideology: they cannot come to grips that it is correct, ethically and morally and especially socially correct to ask for SCOT FREE HANDOUTS, FREE SALARIES, CHEAP RENTS, that the old fashion “hard work, you have to deserve it” myth is no longer applicable to a Technological Economy.

Of course what many cannot understand is that there is no objective economic system, no objective “true” model, the model of economy is just that arbitrary system that is put in place according to who wins arbitrarily a tug of war between 2 arbitrary conflicting will powers, with no deeper or correct or metaphysically ethical meaning.

So if you don’t want free lunches then you must accept this present system of winner take all, of the rich getting richer, of the increase of inequality, that is your values, there is no middle ground, either total free lunches or may the best man win and hog all he can.

Also, the conflict based economy is not tuned in to what society should do and that is collaborate towards huge projects that unite, that do not reinforce all the little special “small businesses” or small “companies”, but create common goals, Rockets to Mars, millions of Skyscrapers, so people are concentrated on the common goal and not concentrated on fighting each other, they are concentrated on reaching an accumulated result and not a personal result where everyone thinks he is a winner against everyone else.

But alas, it is all useless, man is a turd, he must get rid of this old clunker of a brain he has and design, implant a new one that is correctly programmed…

AN APE

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That’s not Good Enough …

Another subtle mistake most people make is that of believing in the stability of “savings”, in the stability of money, of accumulated wealth, etc. So you have 100,000 dollars (or a house) and that is supposed to be valid forever: not true, the economy is a process, only the present interaction of forces and the present play of forces determine what is or isn’t good enough. It is like someone who simply wakes up in the morning and decides that that amount of money is not good enough to buy a house anymore for example. The entire real estate inflation game is based on someone deciding, just because, “that’s not good enough, just because, because I say so”, there is no “Invisible Hand”, there is a very simple straightforward intentionality to hike up the prices of something or to gain more profits in some ordeal, etc. and in effect, betraying any stability, trying to get an upper hand, trying to get a profit all of a sudden just because, because he can do it (just like the innovation, education and startup myth implies that no one is ever good enough, you will never be educated or innovative enough, you will never discover electricity all over again, you will never invent Windows and become the “Next Bill Gates” all over again, etc.).

And such is with everything else, jobs, work, health care, you name it, someone just decides “that’s not good enough anymore” and no one challenges it, no one cracks their heads open because of this, they can do it.

But the economy is simply a process, no accumulation of past wealth is ever really a guarantee for anything, only a stable process can guarantee the future, but a stable process flies in the face of all the present day Standard Economic Theory that worships Change and Competition and Free Market and the Invisible Hands of the market more than simply and bluntly deciding very simply what to do with the wealth the economy generates.