All mathematical statements are tautologies.

[Rouzbeh]

@namelesss

@Rouzbeh

I believe you said simultaneously, meaning at the same time. I merely pointed out that that is incorrect.

Actually, that IS correct. Again, feel free to do the research. All the necessary data is on the net… IF you want to ‘hear it’. It does make chopmeat of your ‘god’, so I’d understand your inhibitions to do so. Otherwise, there is a whole new world, feel free to ‘catch up’.

God? I don’t quite follow how a dual status for light would make “chop meat of [my] god”, especially since I don’t know what god that would be, but sure, random comments are always a chuckle. To my knowledge, and my knowledge is by no means all encompassing, photons act as particles and as waves, but not simultaneously. This was shown with the double slit experiment, where the “fade” was diminshed after the observer camera making the photon act as a particle. I have been known to be wrong, this could be one such time. Feel free to educate my justifiably theistic and closed mind.

You say that photons and quantum physics defy identity theory. I’m studying classical mechanics, and I personally find it peculiar for people to jump to conclusions based on a few fantastic studies about a fantastic field with no knowledge of the field that gave birth to it.

@namelesss

I understand your Perspective. Quantum is the ‘critical update’ to ‘classical’ theory. There is no ‘empiricism’, no ‘objective observer’, etc… Classical without the ‘critical update’ is obsolete other than for a few local pragmatic uses, just like ‘cause and effect’. Quantum is the ‘critical update’ necessary for all other branches of science. Without it, they are already obsolete.

I wouldn’t call the design and construction of everything from screws and bolts to entire power plants local and pragmatic uses, as opposed to quantum physics’ countless practical and universal inventions and uses, but maybe I’m just closeminded.

I can’t see how anything can defy its being.

@namelesss

Just look around on the net. You will, if you are open minded enough to not be worshipping your particular ‘known’ practice and accept that it might be relatively ‘obsolete’. It is not my job to convince. Time and good understanding, and an open mind, will take care of that.
If not, it has well been stated and known that science progresses not by updating the 'known and attachments to ones field of endeavor, but death by death of the old and invested and attached (believers).
I’m not going to get involved with an argument. I also won’t get involved in a ‘flat earth’ argument, either, and that is how I see this.
Happy trails

Do you see the irony?

Amor Fati,
Anything, and nothing, occupying a given space in a given time must equal itself. The idea of whether something is itself after the progression of events is down more to the specified criteria than anything else. You are you to yourself, whereas your entire body replaces so many parts every so often, does that null your being you? Maybe, but you at xyzt cannot be anything but you, otherwise you wouldn’t be you, the conclusion thereby rendering the premise and therefore the entire statement void.

I don’t like certainties. My knowledge is by no means complete. If there are any good links or good but short books, lead me to them!

[namelesss]

@Rouzbeh

@namelesss

@Rouzbeh

I believe you said simultaneously, meaning at the same time. I merely pointed out that that is incorrect.

Actually, that IS correct. Again, feel free to do the research. All the necessary data is on the net… IF you want to ‘hear it’. It does make chopmeat of your ‘god’, so I’d understand your inhibitions to do so. Otherwise, there is a whole new world, feel free to ‘catch up’.

God? I don’t quite follow how a dual status for light would make “chop meat of [my] god”, especially since I don’t know what god that would be

That ‘god’ that is your ‘beliefs’, ego, that which you support and defend. Think metaphor.

Feel free to educate my justifiably theistic and closed mind.

Sorry, I am too old and wise to waste time attempting to jumpstart ‘critical thought’ in an admittedly closed mind.
I educate myself, it is an ongoing process. Feel free to do the same.

II wouldn’t call the design and construction of everything from screws and bolts to entire power plants local and pragmatic uses, wouldn’t call the design and construction of everything from screws and bolts to entire power plants local and pragmatic uses, as opposed to quantum physics’ countless practical and universal inventions and uses, but maybe I’m just closeminded.

You called yourself ‘closeminded’ twice, so far. Perhaps you are.
I see your problem as a lack of Perspective.
A single drop of water might well ‘appear’ universal to a virus, but it is seen as decidedly ‘local’ from a human, or a galactic, Perspective.
Depends on Perspective…
A virus can no more understand a human Perspective, than a human a virus’s. (And my example is in no way personally intended, its just an illustration, there are many)

Do you see the irony?

I see irony everywhere all the time.
Now, though, I just see the end of this conversation.
Peace

[Rouzbeh]

“I’m too open minded to be only open minded.” “I’m too knowledgeable to value knowledge” Amazing…