All Or Nothing. A small bandaid on a giant bloody wound.

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I am one of those people who would describe themselves as a all or nothing type person in that if I can’t have it all I would rather have nothing.

In this thread I shall plan to take such a understanding of things and parallel it between the subject of equality.

People who support “equality” in the back of their minds know that in all actuality they cannot eradicate inequality entirely and that most likely inequality will exist forever along with global poverty or mass slavery of individiuals toiling in labor against their very own wills.

Such a perception is only realistic beyond fantasy and mere idealistic systems of viewing the world.

These same people who support “equality” ironically survive and live in societal systemizations that can only exist by partaking in inequality which they themselves who supposedly support “equality” often partake in inequality hypocritically when they are not preaching about the “greater good” or some flimsy idealistic form of global salvation.

I have a couple of points to illustrate here:

If you know that you can’t eradicate global inequality or poverty, why even bother?

If eradicating inequality isn’t a all or nothing type project what exactly is it?

If you know that eradicating global inequality or poverty is a impossibility, why even bother?

And let’s just throw out a wild card into our scenario here:

If by some slight almost impossible chance that inequality or poverty is destroyed in the future ( In my eyes very impossible), why should I care about “equality” considering that you and I will never live long enough in being able to see such a existence for ourselves?

It would seem that the movement of “equality” is one of absurdity in that it tries to put a very small bandaid ( Equality) on a giant bloody wound ( Inequality) where afterwards it likes to boast in describing itself as a great movement or a noble system of philanthrophy where in reality it hardly accomplishes anything beyond its own public boasting.

If the movement of equality knows that it truely can’t include all people in it’s systemization of things what is the point in even doing anything at all? The way I see it such a system is a all or nothing type deal.

If you can’t include all people in your conception of “equality” then there really is no reason to do anything at all and there exists no reason to have any equality for anyone in a existence that doesn’t realistically include all people.

And while those who support “equality” like to point to pockets or handfuls of people benefitting through their various forms of so called philanthrophy as to pass on the illusion of evidence that indeed their idealistic notion of progress is succeeding in the back of everyone’s mind we all know that these handful of cheerful people are far outnumbered by millions of people suffering daily worldwide or by those we lock up in our delightful prison systems.

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its does however enter into the consciousness

as slow as it maybe

you have to fight for equality sometimes nobody is going to just give it to you

how bad do you want it ?

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I only care about myself. Why should I care about people in the future that I will never meet?

Why should I become a martyr for somthing that I don’t necessarily agree with?

If you can’t help all people there is no point in having any idealistic notions of “equality”.

I would rather have a existence of inequality that is blatantly honest about itself then a deceptive systemization which professes the naive notion of equality between all men, all the while in it’s own hypocrisy partakes in inequality simultaneously.

You have no evidence for this.

Believing that the future will bring total equality within men is about as absurd in believing Jesus’s second coming in the future in bringing the divine rapture of sinners.

If fighting is the natural sequence in existence with conflict and struggling then I think it would be in my best interests to do away with the conceptions of “equality” altogether.

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…fight for what? why does anyone need to fight their way through their life/existence? :confused: because you say so? what you say does not count!

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North is living in a collective fantasy world. He doesn’t realize how truely absurd his notions really are.

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:laughing:

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we all do , we all do

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I am just going to take a crack at this “equality” thing where I am just going to describe it as a bullshit stunt of clever deceptive public relations. ( Does that sound about right? )

I think that pretty much sums up in describing the actuality of idealistic notions of “equality” within a government.

The government steps up to the podium in describing how it is trying to create equality between all people all the while behind the curtain it understands that inequality will never be entirely eradicated where it also understands that as a government it needs inequality in order to function but so long as it steps in the media spotlight by telling everyone that everything is fine where equality is supposedly making things brighter by lying to everyone after a hard day’s work in a governmental setting politicians can go home at night in sound sleep knowing that they have fooled the public once again.

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I know how to irradicate world poverty.
People in really bad countries should not have babies that they cannot take proper care of.
If they have babies anyways, they’re being assholes, and THEY are the true makers of the poverty.
They create a troubled and insufficient pathetic life. It’s shameful and inconsiderate, unwise and automatic.
It’s the same as having sex when you know you have aids, and not telling the person before you do it,
That’s exactly par to having children that are going to more-than-likely die due to hereditary situational problems.

So, world poverty equates to the poor people being inconsiderate idiots.
Then, “love and care for the sick” idealists paint these people as good or great, lovable instead of dumb. Warm pitty and bias, instead of the cold truth that these poor people are actually cruel and defective.
The lower class is not a holy thing.

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Monitoring people in their bedrooms by observing genitalia practices. ( Another absurdity.)

Let’s just face the fact that people delight in other people’s suffering and that inequality is here to stay on this world forever.

( More realistic but not as sweet.)

-Loco Bramista-

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both of you are whiners , complainers

you make NO effort to change anything

just whine

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There is nothing to change. What you seek out to change in your mind you know is a impossibility.

Face it… You are a fraud. In this thread you have been dethroned of your pedestal.

-Loco Bramista-

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…not really! :confused:

What people expect us to do, and what they get, are two different things!

Because one perosn struggles: they think all should struggle, and if you don’t, they hound the fuck out of you for it!

Stop tarnishing us all with your tainted brush!

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Nothing is holy or sacred. The more we find this out the freer we will become.

-Loco Bramista-

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:-({|=

…that could not be farther from the truth, North - I just don’t want to hear your dictatorial rantings! I don’t take kindly to those that dictate / I aint the suppressed kind… :confused:

I know your game! Those that don’t comply/agree with you: are whiners/complainers - you are too predictable for words.

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 nothing to change ?  interesting contradiction
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Let’s try this again:

If eradicating inequality or poverty is a impossibility the historical creation of the movement that is called “equality” wasn’t necessary to begin with and by understanding that, yes there comes the perception that there was nothing to change to begin with.

( Try to follow along as I don’t want to have to start spelling things out for you.)

-Loco Bramista-

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I believe equality to be the rationale of the weak and the incapable.

They are inferior, so they wish those superior to them to be limited or restricted in thought or action, in order to compensate for the lack of the inferior.

Leveling.

In the case of African Americans, you have people claiming oppression in an environment of “positive discrimination”, where the pendulum has swung so far that the assimilated foreign race is now regarded more highly than it’s host.

It would appear that the objective is to produce a society of identical clones, in which no individual exceeds or excels another and in which no ones delicate ego may become injured …

:sunglasses:

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fine I understand . but your assuming that eradicating inequality or poverty is impossible . I disagreed and still do

look inequality and poverty take time to over-come .

which is why I say again that out-sourcing by corps. is a good thing in the end

really

sure it pisses off the American people and politicians but they just don’t get it

Canada went through the same thing 25yrs ago now we are more a trade , tech and service based economy with of course some manufacturing still around .

but overall wealth is gained in the tech based economy which is what the Canadian gov. saw . in the end thats where the money is

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  1. You haven’t supplied any evidence showing that the eradication of inequality or poverty world wide will take place beyond your fanatical dispositions and eager political jargonized unfulfilled promises.

  2. Even if such a impossible thing took place hundreds or thousands of years into the future you and I won’t live long enough to expirience it therefore, why should I care anything about equality?

How? Your evidence being what exactly?

Oh I get it your evidence is your fanatical beliefs and words where we should just believe you on a hunch because your such a great outstanding person, right? :unamused:

For whom?