Also To Wonderer

Dear, Mr. Wonderer;

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the message that I posted to you the other night regarding conspiracy theories. Obviously, I did not disrespect you nor did I do anything ad hom in the post, but after thinking about it for a few days I realized in, “attacking,” you (Yes, that really is about as close to an attack as I usually get) I was really just attacking myself.

There comes a time, and maybe not for everybody, Mr. Wonderer that one just stops giving a shit. I’m not talking about life here, but I’m talking about the controlling mechanisms that are in place which largely dictate the course of our lives, specifically with regard to financial health. I have conditioned myself to outwardly deny these things, Mr. Wonderer and have also conditioned myself not to care. I still believe that the existence of these very mechanisms is a result of the collective decisions made by humanity, and I believe it will take a collective decision by humanity (depending on what geographical level we are talking about) to do anything about it.

The reason that I went on a rant against you, Mr. Wonderer, is because I largely envy the way that you think, the way that you read into things, and your desire to know. For I found that the desire to know and the desire to peacefully co-exist with the other members of society very rarely go hand-in-hand with one another. I chose peaceful co-existence not because I am a coward, but because I got so tired, Mr. Wonderer. I got tired of going against the flow because while it is still possible to remain afloat, it is much more difficult.

And some would say that much more rewarding, but I disagree.

In essence, Mr. Wonderer, it has come to the point where I merely accept these controlling machinations as inevitable and play (and think) under their rules, the only area where I can still give myself credit is insofar that I do still think, which some of our fellow humans fail to do. But, I am a quitter Mr. Wonderer, and I quit because it was too hard, I was too tired and because I got sick of constantly being on the losing end.

You know that you may never be on the winning end, Mr. Wonderer, but I certainly hope that you never get too tired from fighting to prove that which you know to be true.

Once you submit, Mr. Wonderer, the submission is full and complete, even if you want to go back, there can be no going back. Once you have allowed yourself to be brain-washed, there exists absolutely no remote possibility of deprogramming.

Believe it or not, (most likely not after this post) I take no prescription drugs, nor do I take any drugs which cannot be legally obtained. Also, I believe that I am pretty close to psychologically fit as a fiddle. But, I know there has been a change, Mr. Wonderer, I don’t know where, when or how it happened, but somehow I was re-programmed. I don’t suppose I’ll ever find out.

The Road Not Taken, by Robert Frost (1874–1963)

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Thank you for your post Pavlovianmodel146. It is very insightful, as was the one to which it refers. Both posts are more than welcome and i hope you won’t be shy from casting dissent in the future, as logical dissent is something i’m short on.

Regarding this post, there may come a time for me when i may tire out and take the easier beaten path or to just slide with the flow, but i haven’t found that point yet.

I have always thought of you as sort of Zen like. To be at peace within a conflict has great meaning to myself.

I do not blame anyone for fearing a lost cause, or for becoming too tired to carry on, i can easily envision myself taking a similar route.

The diversity of political and spiritual vs non spiritual belief is so shocking and appauling that i have literally gotten tired just reading the titles of articles and talk shows. It can be increibly demoralizing, but still i’m too young to quit.

20 years old and hungry for more.

If the salmon never swam back up stream their race would never be able to survive. Perhaps it is the fate of the human race to continually rebel against itself and its direction. It is our capacity for change that keeps us evolving and adapting, but I don’t like to think of myself as that righteous though…

Thanks you again for your apology, and don’t feel bad about it. As a criticism your post was useful and thought proviking, as was this one. Normally i’m used to dealing with insults, distractions, rhetoric, and dogma, so it was not unpleasant.

I’m not that righteous :smiley: . My drive to contest society stems from my disgust with it.

I suppose i am a rebel and an underdog, but every movement starts somewhere.

No one person can do everything, but everyone can do something (old proverb). If i can inspire one or two people to push for change, how many people might they inspire?

A smile now could be responsible for a good deed half way around the world, staying positive is essential if i am to give my best effort and be effective

So thank you again for this post, it has cheered me up greatly. :smiley: =D>

Wonderer-

Already have it memorized. :wink: Thank you just the same.

I appreciate that compliment. I know who I am and I think the same can be said for you.

Butterfly Effect. I like it, perhaps my previous efforts are still having an indirect effect somewhere to this day, it makes me smile to think about that possibility.

You’re welcome. I don’t think anyone will get their feelings hurt for my saying this, so I will just say it:

You are singularly my favorite poster at this site.

There, I said it.

you know i like to hear that :smiley:

It means a lot comming for someone who i have a great deal of respect for. You have been a heavy influence on me, so you can rest assured your efforts are still having effect.

Everytime i read your signature i smile and i think your posts, though passive, are very rational and refreshing.

I look forward to learning from you in te future, and it’s interesting to learn that you were once the revolutionary that i fancy myself.

And even if they break you down and tire you out, never stop supporting what you believe in.

Wow. Thank you, I was a bit surprised that you hold me in such high regard, now I have to try not to disappoint!

Thanks again. As far as rationality goes, I suppose we must all have a niche.

They may have contained me, but they will never stop me.

That’s just great, Pav.

Makes it all the more difficult to beat Wonderer’s ass back into the ground.

We almost had him.

But not anymore.

Just great.

:laughing:

After taking a beating in round 54 Wonderer looks like he’s catching his second wind!

There he goes! A left, A right, Look at him go folks!

[i]Oh wait, what’s this! A prachutist-skydyver has just landed here at ring side!

This is chaos folks, total chaos!![/i]

Wonderer and I can become a tag team, if you want you can join our stable.

Team Humana